Rumsfeld, Bush approved Iraq torture policy

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:23 PM

INVESTIGATION

Abuse of Captives More Widespread, Says Army Survey
By DOUGLAS JEHL, STEVEN LEE MYERS and ERIC SCHMITT

Published: May 26, 2004 NY Times

WASHINGTON, May 25 — An Army summary of deaths and mistreatment involving prisoners in American custody in Iraq and Afghanistan shows a widespread pattern of abuse involving more military units than previously known

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/politics/26ABUS.html

JASONZZZ

Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:06 AM

NY Times is evil.

They require you to sign away your soul
to read a simple article.

If the morons at NY Times had a worthwhile
thought about it - then at least 10 other
establishments would have came up with it
before hand...

Remember "Jayson Blair", there are plenty
more of them at NY Times. They just owe
up again to failing to fact check and keep
a thumb on the overzealous, "scoop" getting
reporters. While they are at it, they need
to get rid of their editors too.

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:30 AM

Hey Signy,

I saw that too! Thank God, it is getting out. It's interesting to see the part the CIA plays in these things. Didn't the CIA bring about Watergate, too, really? Now this. Guess you don't want to get on the CIA's bad side (suprise, surprise).

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:48 AM

Hey Jasonzz, be a sport! Where's your belief in the betterment of all through competition??

In any case, it's a long article, so here's a (better written!) summary:

President Bush (has) portrayed the abuse of prisoners by American soldiers in narrow terms.

But according to a May 5 Criminal Investigation Command (CIC) report deaths date back to Afghanistan in December 2002, where two prisoners died in one week from "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease". In one of these cases, both military intelligence and Army Reserve military-police are believed to have been "involved at various times in assaulting and mistreating the detainee."

Iraq cases date back to April 15, 2003 (right after Saddam Hussein's statue was toppled) to last month, when a prisoner detained by Navy commandos died by "blunt force trauma to the torso and positional asphyxia."

In what appeared to be a case of serious abuse over a prolonged period of time, members of the 223rd Military Intelligence Battalion in Samarra (north of Baghdad) "struck and pulled the hair of detainees" during interrogations over a period that lasted 10 weeks. The summary said they "forced into asphyxiations numerous detainees in an attempt to obtain information."

Another incident involved the death in custody of a senior Iraqi officer, Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush, who died last November at a detention center run by the Third Armored Cavalry. (Best I can figure is that this is "the cage" near the Syrian border) Soldiers acknowledged that interviews with the general on Nov. 24 and 25 involved "physical assaults." In fact, investigators determined that General Mowhoush died after being shoved head-first into a sleeping bag, and questioned while being rolled repeatedly from his back to his stomach.

A senior military official and a senior Pentagon medical official said the Army was investigating the deaths of 37 detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan, an increase from at least 25 deaths that a senior Army general described on May 4.

According to Army officials and documents, at least 12 prisoners have died of natural or undetermined causes, including nine in Abu Ghraib. In six of those cases, the military conducted no autopsy to confirm the presumed cause of death. As a result, the investigations into their deaths were closed by Army investigators.

Army officials have been reluctant to discuss the type of detail that the [CIC] document describes, even when investigations into the cases are closed. The Army has refused to make public the synopses of Army criminal investigations into the deaths or assaults of Iraqi or Afghan prisoners while in custody.

RUE

Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:21 AM

Browncoat1

One comforting thought is that people outside of the US know better.

How do you hide a million-person demonstration? You bury the news.

OUTTATHEWORLD

Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:38 AM

Gotta admit I'm VASTLY amused that anyone thinks anything at ALL printed in the New Yorker, concerning military affairs, can be anything but fiction...the closest any of these guys or gals have ever come to the militray is seeing a carrier tied up in the harbor.

Folks, the stuff at Abu Ghraib was tiddlywinks compared to an interrogation done on a criminal suspect who's being defended by a PD in New York. Being naked is NOT TORTURE...having a shotgun shoved up yor ass and twisted is torture. Might think about who we're dealing with, kids, and go back to your portable DVD players.

Take us outta the world....

RUXTON

Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:56 AM

How about being beaten to death, dolt. Does that qualify as torture in your closeted, fearful world of denial?

Why don't you go back to Free Republic and kiss up to the jerk who runs that show, eh? He likes folks like you who refuse to read anything, or learn anything.

.......Ruxton

RUXTON

Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:11 AM

If you don't like Hersch's paper, read the Gonzales Memorandum to the President, dated 25 January 2002. If you can read.

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:39 PM

Or being suffocated? (seems to be a favorite with the interrogators)

Apparently JAG officers complained to an NGO human rights group about being excluded from interrogations after having their concerns being ignored internally. (Normal procdure is to have JAG officers present.)

The memos to Bush that are being leaked and complaints from within the ranks about changes of authority and procedure make this look very much like policy, not a spontaneous or one-off occurence.

Outtathisworld- did you read any of the article? Did you see any of the vidoes that go farther than the photos? Might want to, before you make more of an ass of yourself. The article is based on internal (leaked) memos. The videos speak for themselves. Of course, you COULD just plug your ears and go "la-la-la" while running down the hallways as fast as you can!

Ruxton- Outtathisworld is apprently a sociopath who gets off on humans abusing humans. Abuse and violence, according to this poster, are what make you "a grownup". I just hope this person doesn't work in a PD!

JASONZZZ

Monday, June 21, 2004 7:33 PM

Being beaten to death is *not* torture. It's being beaten to death.

And neither is stragulation/suffocation. Stragulation is a sex act for the perverts. It's also a cheap source of amusement for addicts who can't afford drugs. Now killing someone by suffocating them is different, that's plain murder.

Abuse != humiliation != torture != murder

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