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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 4, 2026 09:56
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Siggy, you'll notice that despite my willingness to resort to violence that I discourage it in others and in fact idolize those who can resolve issues without it ?
That ain't hypocrisy, as much as it is dealin with my own past in combination with a full and complete awareness of your final point and how it relates.
That said, there's times when violence is warranted, or even downright necessary - and I wish to hell there weren't, but sometimes there are.
The hard part for many of us, is sorting out which is which.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Sometimes violence is necessary. Unfortunately for me, I'd have a very hard time applying it! That's the hole in MY personality.
We (not the board, our entire culture) is so dependent on violence... it's so ingrained in our view of what "how people really are", so intrinsic to what we think is effective, natural, valuable... that we have a hard time even imagining our nation without it. It would be as if we were unmanned. We start making up reasons for it: What if we're attacked at a neighborhood-level by a million jihadists who'll saw off your son's head? What if the black (or pale blue) helicopters descend en masse from the sky? What if the Crips (or the Bloods) or the drug cartels take over the nation? What peeps don't realize is that 300 million people taking one step in one direction is way more powerful than a guy with a garage full of weaponry.
So, yes, violence sometimes IS necessary. Unfortunately, we've made our society into what we believe, which is that violence and its evil twin vengeance are the ONLY tools avsilable to handle violence
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Let's party like its 1929.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
I just hope he is better than Carter.
'Cause it's a fact that Bush sure as hell wasn't!
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
Bush won in the middle east. Carter didn't.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by rue:
Rappie
"I like how you dream up imaginary positions and views for other people, ignoring any and everything they say, an interjecting these strawman arguments. It's quite a gift, you have."
You didn't recognize some leg-pulling ? OK, to be VERY clear, in caps and bold --- I WAS PULLING YOUR LEG.
Hard to tell, sometimes via this format. Especially when folks like Citizen make such colossally absurd claims.
LegpulledRaptor
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:It's the first lesson of the schoolyard, unfortunately.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, yes, violence sometimes IS necessary. Unfortunately, we've made our society into what we believe, which is that violence and its evil twin vengeance are the ONLY tools avsilable to handle violence
I became good at it through necessity.
The martial Chrisisall
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Seems I recall a fable/fairy tale/Isaiah 11:6..??... about lions (wolves) lying with lambs....
what a crazy notion.....
hate breeds hate
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Signy
just anecdotally, I'd say that the majority of fuckups I've known have been abused children, but not all. The majority have been substance abusers, but not all. I can't think of one that doesn't fit into one of the two categories.
But the converse has not been true. Most abused children i've known have not been fucked up, and at least some substance abusers have not been hopeless.
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"Seems I recall a fable/fairy tale/Isaiah 11:6..??... about lions (wolves) lying with lambs....
what a crazy notion.....
hate breeds hate"
EXCEPT, what they don't tell you in those stories, is that the lambs get eaten when no-ones looking.
It was not my intent to give a sob story. I'm just trying to give a different (my) perspective on things.
Its the 800lb gorilla in the living room. TOO MANY folks out there, just dance around the issue , and ignore the truth and problem of it.
These people do remind me of the Eloi in that respect. Folks who live in this fantasy world where everything is great, and we can all hold hands and dance around singing kum-by-ya.
But thats not the truth of it.
The truth is closer to HBO's "The Wire"...(at least the 1st season).
Do you really want your life to be like it was in that show? Do you want your children living like that, surrounded like that, fighting for their lives like that?
Im sure its not easy for folks to swallow, the idea that things could ever be like that.. (at least for them) But it can happen. It happened to me, and it can happen to you. In fact, it probably WILL happen to you. Or your children, or your childrens children....unless we do something. And soon.
Unless we do something, we are all dooming ourselves (or our children) to live in that kind of hell.
Now the question is, what do we do about it? Throwing money at the problem doesnt make it go away. In fact, it just makes it worse. (Give a thug 30 grand, and he'll go out and buy an Escalade with gold rims...)
Now, I agree with the old proverb that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. So what do we do? Keep in mind that the 60's happened almost 50 years ago. How much has changed FOR THE BETTER?
I believe the first step is opening peoples eyes. Showing them what things are really like. Showing them what they CAN BE LIKE. THEN, once folks are good and ready, actually working to FIX it.
Not with platitudes, or the easy solutions...but with hard work and hard decisions..
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Keep in mind that the 60's happened almost 50 years ago. How much has changed FOR THE BETTER?
From the movie Time After Time: "All ages are the same, it's only love that makes any of them bearable."
Chrisisall
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Quote:Wulf, you seem to think that many of us have our heads buried in the sand about how bad things "could" get. Not so. I lived in some VERY crappy neighborhoods (when I was older), been a crime victim several times over, evn had a year of feeling what PTSD is like. And I think the average American DOES have an idea of what it's like. That's why they choose to live in the 'burbs.
I believe the first step is opening peoples eyes. Showing them what things are really like. Showing them what they CAN BE LIKE.
What YOU don't understand is how GOOD things "could" be. We're not the only society in the world. We COULD be like Somalia, which is 100X worse. Or we COULD be like Sweden, which is 100X better. Which do we choose?
And yes, it IS a choice. It's entirely up to us.
Quote:And now we get to the nub. Fix it... HOW? Did you know that of all the industrialized nations, the USA not only has the highest incarceration rate, it also has the highest crime rate?
THEN, once folks are good and ready, actually working to FIX it.
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