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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:49 PM

"...everybody's so mad..."

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:38 PM

Wulf, everyone

Chill. If I recall correctly Wulf is in a multi-ethnic marriage and he's not the only one on the board. Odds of him being racist are real slim.

That said, people seem a little on edge. I don't know if it's Obama, or today's stock market collapse, or what, but just find a something relaxing, before we get into another war.

It was so peacefully silly on this board for the past week or so. The worst hostility involved whozit and a bagel.

I like the quiet

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:42 PM

Dream,

I appreciate your attempt at keeping the peace.

Peace is worth silence.

However, I will not take to being challenged by small-minded INDIVIDUALS lightly.

KWICKO

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:01 PM

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I just hope he is better than Carter.

'Cause it's a fact that Bush sure as hell wasn't!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
You're right Rap.

Democrats are to blame for everything since the dawn of time, and will be till the end of time. Not only that, Bush was a great man and a great president. Iraq was an immediate threat. Bush kept us totally safe, except for 9/11 which was Clinton's fault. Obama is an ineligible imposter, and it doesn't matter that the oath was flubbed b/c it was a fake Bible with the Koran stuffed inside.

Just keep repeating that.

I like how you dream up imaginary positions and views for other people, ignoring any and everything they say, an interjecting these strawman arguments. It's quite a gift, you have.

Yeah, like calling all liberals "un-American terrorist-lovers"...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
He has a good speech writer.

Yeah, I think the guy's name is Barack... something or other...

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RUE

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:36 AM

Rappie

"I like how you dream up imaginary positions and views for other people, ignoring any and everything they say, an interjecting these strawman arguments. It's quite a gift, you have."

You didn't recognize some leg-pulling ? OK, to be VERY clear, in caps and bold --- I WAS PULLING YOUR LEG.

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Silence is consent.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:55 AM

Wulfie ?

Been there, done that - but serious, I know what a bitch it is, and how it freakin haunts a person even years later, I mean, have I not posted that exact viewpoint a time or two, having climbed out of starveling poverty in south baltimore with nothing more than sheer ruthlessness to begin with ?

That said, to be completely blunt you do got issues with letting go of it, and how you view other folk when enraged - and you know you've got em cause I watch you try to step above them, despite failing here and there, so props for tryin, but denying that it's left it's mark on you and how you view people isn't the way to go about it.

Don't make you a bad person cause at least you got the balls to try, but you need to find a way to start cuttin loose that baggage train, or in the end it's gonna suck you back down into the very pit you've spent a good bit of your life trying to escape.

And you did escape, so don't carry it with you, mano, that's a self-inflicted punishment if there ever was one, just sayin...

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:40 AM

I'm gonna side with Lucy here.

Many of us have been through a scrape or two. I've been through at least a dozen that could have ended my life, and some that technically have. We carry it with us, but we own it, use it as learning material. And sure, sometimes you want to vent, but just scan back to that gaza thread and see where that leads.

I've been the crazy homeless guy, wandering the world. I have to say, not all societies and people treat the crazy homeless guy the same, and it's somewhat interesting who cuts him a break, probably the break that he needs.

I don't know if we can ever really lose the baggage train, but we sometimes we have to check the baggage at the door. Other folks haven't been through the same experience, they aren't likely to see the perspective, and though I appreciate the insights, you know that some folks won't. There are a lot of simple viewpoints. I know I'm not the only former mental patient on this board. I also know that when someone calls me a lunatic it has no negative impact whatsoever on me. Sort of like I suspect calling Kirk a neanderthal doesn't. Or geezer old, if he's really old, I've never really figured that out.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:10 AM

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You can hate whomever the fuck you want, for whatever reason you have. Thats your right, thats your freedom. I won't try and take that from you.

But there are OTHER CHOICES. Like letting it go, like living your life by judging others by their actions, not their race, creed, or religion. If you choose to hate me cuz Im whatever, more power to you. You can, I won't stop you. Mess with me, of course, and I'll put as many .40 bullets in you as I can.

But there is another way, beyond hate, beyond being a political correctness slave. We can choose differently. We can choose to see each person AS A PERSON, good or ill. And fight for or against them as needed.

I noticed that you give permission to hate. What about permission to love, to understand, and to help? How is hating people individually different from hating them as a group? It's still hate. More directed, maybe, but still hate.

It's like I was saying before to Finn... all people have lizard-brains. We learn patterns of behavior from our childhood. Our brains are "wired" ... physically structured... by our environment.

Study after study has shown that kids in dangerous, abusive environments don't grow up cool and collected, they grow up scared and angry. Kids who are beaten don't become desensitized to pain... they experience pain more intensely later. Kids depending on people who lie and cheat don't become smarter and more savvy, they distrust their own opinion and become gullibly reliant. Kids who grow up in chaotic, unpredictable environments become timid. Harsh circumstances don't help anyone become better. The fact that Wulf (sorry Wulf, I'm not picking on you) thinks that NOT going to the top of a tower and picking off "sheep" is a personal triumph only shows how close ANY of us are to being an evil crazy bastard. And Wulf is a person who has all of his marbles. What about someone who's slower? Can't control his impulses as well? Wulf and the peeps he grew up with are separated by a hairsbreadth.

Just some personal comments. I was a lucky kid. I loved everyone and enough people loved me that... heck, I have a hard time getting mad at anyone. My mom used to get mad at me. Why don't you stand up for yourself? she'd kind of berate me. But my answer was I just want everyone to be happy. But my SO grew up in an abusive household and survived a war. He was smart enough and oppositional enough not to be dominated by his dad, directly. He learned steely self-control. But he also learned to be hyper-vigilant and very controlling. And when he's under stress, he becomes intimidating, because that's how he escaped, when he was old enough. Even the very smart and self-aware are branded by their early experience, for good or not. If we want a less violent society (And I dunno. Do we? We don't ACT like it! A lot of peeps act like here is something intrinsically valuable to violence.) then we have to BE less violent.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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