Ready to support the new Prez?

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CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:28 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I want the world to see a just, strong and engaging leader.

Then how can you consider Bush a good leader, since the world saw him as the exact opposite of "just, strong and engaging"?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:31 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:

Then how can you consider Bush a good leader, since the world saw him as the exact opposite of "just, strong and engaging"?

AU respects the office of the President, even it the person running it should make some bad decisions.

I think.

The postulatin' Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:38 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I want the world to see a just, strong and engaging leader.

Then how can you consider Bush a good leader, since the world saw him as the exact opposite of "just, strong and engaging"?

Bush was all of those things. I have no idea what you're whining about. Now show some respect for the folks who saved your ass from the NAZIS.

You're welcome.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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HERO

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:43 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
For Republicans, now that the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak, how do you feel about the Imperial Presidency?

I prefer it to the Imperial Congress.

But every President is different. I say lets see what he does before disapproving of him. I also note that its possible to disapprove of the Presidents method of leadership but still support his policies (or the opposite). For example, I supported many Clinton-era policies after 1995 (mainly because of Republican legislative influence), but greatly disapproved of his leadership practices.

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Do you still think we should "support the President, no matter what his policies"?
That is circumstancial. We're not soldiers, but we are citizens. We owe the President a certain amount of support and even while supporting his decisions, we can advocate alternative policy. That was a distinction lost on Democrats after the summer of 2001.

Should we honor the election, whether or not we feel it was legitimate?

I don't think there is any question this was a legitimate election. Even in Minnisota, the most inept and corrupted process in the country had little effect on the Presidential results.

The only folks crying foul are the crazytalkers saying Obama isn't a citizen...and we never listen to them.

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For Democrats, if you are going to ask Republicans to do the above, were you able to do so for GW Bush?

That would have been nice.

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If neither option appeals to you, is there something we can all agree on?

It was cold, there were a lot of people, and they messed up the Oath. Aside from that...lets get ready to rumble.

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For example, can we all agree that the election process needs reform?

Sure. How about some sort of promise by the candidates to use public financing? Or a pledge by the media to give fair coverage? Or no more national banking collapse in the ninety days before the election? Judge Republican girls/black/just about every Republican candidate by the same standards as Democratic candidates? Nobody is allowed to campaign in Iowa before June 1? Eliminate Delaware's electors? Instead of marking the box of the guy you want how bout we mark every box EXCEPT the guy we want?

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That the powers of the President need to be whittled down?

We need to end the President's ability to pick his own wife and children. They should be chosen from qualified persons reflecting the entire national character. One boy, one girl, a wife AND husband and all of mixed racial heritage and religeous background (plus a male dog, female cat, and gender neutral fish or bird).

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What does it mean TO YOU to support Obama, specifically? Since he is asking for "sacrifice" ... what, exactly, does that mean?

That is the question. To me it means keep doing what I'm doing and hope he doesn't mess me up too much.

I note for the record that I am perfectly willing to sacrifice paying my current taxes in favor of supporting a plan to pay less. Since they said taxes are patriotic, I'm a big enough patriot to forego my sense of patriotism in favor of doing what's right for the country by humbly accepting a tax cut.

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WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:45 PM

Its like anythings.

Someone, be they President, Congress, or the asshole sticking up the quikee-mart...

Try and take whats mine, try and terrorize me into submission,

And you'll get the same thing.

All the bullets I can put into you.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:48 PM

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I want the world to see a just, strong and engaging leader.

I'd like to teach the world to sing,
In perfect harmony...

This could mean one of several things:

1) He'd like to have a just, strong, engaging leader as WE define it.
2) He'd like to have a just, strong, engaging leader as the rest of the world defines it.
3) He'd like to have a just, strong engaging leader as we define it, and wished the rest of the world would just get with the program already.
4) He thinks the President has to have really, really good PR, so that the world can "see" one thing while the President does another.

I'm confused. But maybe I'm overthinking it.

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Let's party like its 1929.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:49 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bush was all of those things. I have no idea what you're whining about. Now show some respect for the folks who saved your ass from the NAZIS.

You're welcome.

Why, you show no respect for the FRENCH, who won the War of Independence for YOU.

I'm telling you what the World Saw, what the world saw was what the world saw. What delusional KKK trolls see may be different, I don't know.. Believe it or not there are countries outside America. If you had a passport you could visit one. ;)

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

HERO

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:18 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Why, you show no respect for the FRENCH, who won the War of Independence for YOU.

Yeah, after we kicked your redcoated asses, they showed up with a fleet fully prepared NOT to fight the British. Typical French...we win they war, they want the credit.

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Believe it or not there are countries outside America. If you had a passport you could visit one. ;)

"In the begining all the world was America." A Brit said that...fella by the name of Locke.

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CITIZEN

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:27 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Yeah, after we kicked your redcoated asses, they showed up with a fleet fully prepared NOT to fight the British. Typical French...we win they war, they want the credit.

Well, the first Naval victory for the American side was won by the French at Yorktown, and there were more French at the penultimate battle than Americans. Twist it how you will

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"In the begining all the world was America." A Brit said that...fella by the name of Locke.

I think you're rather missing his point. He's talking about how nowhere had been yet claimed.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

HERO

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Well, the first Naval victory for the American side was won by the French at Yorktown, and there were more French at the penultimate battle than Americans. Twist it how you will .

Your talking about the Batte of the Chesapeake on Sept 5, 1781 where Comte de Grasse's French Fleet defeated the Anglish bastards during the Yorktown seige.

Well, we won the Battle of Gloucester in 1775. That was the first real victory.

Not to mention a certain John Paul Jones ("I have not yet begun to fight") who won the Battle of Flamborough Head...right off the coast of Yorkshire...on Sept 23, 1779. That was over a year AFTER he captured the HMS Drake in the North Channel Naval Duel.

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