Israel Vs. Palestine: Evil Scorecard

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FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:25 AM

Actually, pondering the avatar issue, DT...

The irony of it - Lucy is (if you've ever seen Elfen Lied) a lot like israel in her actions, that whole amazingly disproportionate response thing.

I mean, she has her reasons, but that don't make her any less a monster for it.
(and far worse is that she seems to get off on it!)

One of the mysteries of life I'd like to solve in my lifetime is to find out if there really is a path of redemption for those so far gone down that road, something David Drake addressed in the book Redliners.

Preventing things before that is of course the best solution, but what if we *could* fix the broken ones ?

Something to think about.

-Frem
*Redliners is available at the Baen Free Library for those interested, in several formats complete with reader software.
http://www.baen.com/library/

KWICKO

Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:29 AM

Quote:

One of the mysteries of life I'd like to solve in my lifetime is to find out if there really is a path of redemption for those so far gone down that road, something David Drake addressed in the book Redliners.

Wasn't that kind of the whole premise of Angel? The fight to redeem yourself from being the worst of the worst?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:10 AM

Redemption is an interesting an ambiguous notion. I mean, I don't believe in good and evil. I'm totally non-violent, and I write stories that are more violent than anything I've ever read. I think it's a karmic balance. I deal a lot with characters of this Lucy type, makes me want to see elvenlied.

Angel is a simplistic storyline. Joss does characters well. Firefly was the first really good solid arc attempt, I'm not sure BDM carried it through, but there was a lot more world creation.

I think Frem is talking about more sincere character complexity. One of the major characters in the story I'm writing goes down that road very very very far. Actually, two characters do, but one that I've been focusing on. I think if someone else were writing the story, she'd just be the arch villain and the mindless good guys would saddle up in words of one syllable to destroy her. But I am so-o-o pleased at the moment with her character arc.

Characters evolve. They develop, change, and yet, there's a consistent thread.

I get really annoyed with the magical redemption. It's like the way my sister gets with medical miracle cures. I just want to throw the book/dvd/etc. The sudden unexplainable reversal is just as bad, like Xena, suddenly, oh, I just flipped over a card that says "You are now Good."

But that doesn't mean that it's a road from evil to good.

Do you write? Fiction I mean.

ODESSA762

Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:13 AM

This might explain why the Izzy's target 'civilian vehicles' and 'red cross vehicles' now-&-then:

http://current.com/items/89686892/why_does_israel_target_ambulances_ca
rrying_civilians_must_see_video_of_zionist_oppression_included.htm

The fact of the matter is this ... if Hamas and the other assholes would just stop lobbing rockets/mortars/whatever into Israel, and if they would agree to a "Live & Let Live" policy, the embargos & blockades would end. The Izzy's would let Gaza be. Hamas just can't handle that. Does anyone think the Izzy's really WANT to be involved in Gaza? As someone else stated earlier, Hamas is the party that always breaks the truce...and the Izzy's eventually HAVE to respond.

The struggle going on between these two nations is a sort of Darwinism...nature should just be allowed to take it's course...and the Izzy's should just get on with it & get it over with. They should just crush Hamas completely. If the Izzy's decide to really hammer Hamas/Palestine, no other nation/group in that region is in a position to do anything to stop them. Hell, the Egyptians would help, lol.

The US should not provide all kinds of financial aid to the Izzy's, though. On the other hand, the US spends all kinds of money all over the region, no just on Israel. The US should just pick a side & get on with it as well. Perhaps the US should just cut them all off and let the chips fall where they may, screw it.

The whole situation is tiresome, pathetic, infuriating & disgusting.

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by Odessa762:
The whole situation is tiresome, pathetic, infuriating & disgusting.

That line is a fitting way to close this thread now that it has been banished to Troll country.

Apologies to any/all who were offended.

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, October 9, 2023 8:45 AM

censorship moving it to the TROLL thread?

Iranian officials spent weeks helping Hamas plan its attack on Israel, WSJ reports

https://www.businessinsider.com/iranian-officials-helped-hamas-plan-de
adly-attack-on-israel-2023-10

Nonstop rocket intercepts above the skies of central #Israel tonight. Hamas is now targeting the airport.

https://twitter.com/insiderscorner/status/1711126421433667789

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:11 PM

Troll County!

sandbox politics

Meta's Oversight Board flooded with comments about ‘from the river to the sea’ debate
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/facebook-oversight-board-flo
oded-comments-river-sea-israel-palestine-rcna153367

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, July 1, 2025 7:27 PM

Korean YouTuber That Traveled To Palestine In 2022 Showed What Garbage People They Are And How They Hate Anyone Who Isn't A Palestinian
https://vidmax.com/video/234016-korean-youtuber-that-traveled-to-pales
tine-in-2022-showed-what-garbage-people-they-are-and-how-they-hate-anyone-who-isn-t-a-palestinian

58 killed in intensified Israeli strikes in Gaza, ahead of another ceasefire push
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-israel-evacuations-bombardment-whit
e-house-1.7574042

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