Israel Vs. Palestine: Evil Scorecard
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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 1, 2025 19:27
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How is this then, give both sides a week to come to some kind of agreement, or if not nuke them all Jew and Muslim alike.
I considered that. But that would involve us. My solution lets Isreal and Hamas settle the problem without outside interference except by the UN (who hand out the official Peace Shovel...the one with the blue steel blade).
Notice my plan involves the destruction of Hamas as a predicate to peace regardless of whether Isreal wins or loses.
H
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Pizmo
A word of warning:
Hillary knows how to say the right thing when it's called upon to do so, but don't trust her to believe it. She is easily on the top most evil people alive list. Madeline Albright is arguably the most evil person alive, in terms of action, but at least Albright has come out and admitted to being evil. Wolfowitz and Perle and Kristol, the jewish contingent of the anti-semite brigade, are pretty much on the level, so while they are all evil, they are pretty transparent, with little pretense. Clintonistas have a layer of deception which defrauds the casual observer.
Bush is personally evil, but not on the level that he's put up as. He's kind of boston strangler level of evil. Cheney is not count dracula, in spite of the resemblence, but he really believes in his mission, in spite of the deception. He probably is not even stalin evil, he's just dead. Osama is also not high enough on the evil list, he's another manipulative two face of evil, but the recent proposition that the leader of Hamas is acting deliberately against palestine, that's almost a new low.
But no, I think I can safely say, and back up with about 10,000 pages if you want, that Hillary Clinton is probably the closest thing to pure evil that we have. The way she can turn on and kill a close friend in minutes, because there's a personal strategic advantage, that's much more triple-8 than anything I've seen. And some politicians are pretty damn evil.
And no, I'm not kidding.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How is this then, give both sides a week to come to some kind of agreement, or if not nuke them all Jew and Muslim alike.
I considered that. But that would involve us. My solution lets Isreal and Hamas settle the problem without outside interference except by the UN (who hand out the official Peace Shovel...the one with the blue steel blade).
Notice my plan involves the destruction of Hamas as a predicate to peace regardless of whether Isreal wins or loses.
Hero, congrats for thinking. I think it's possible, but I don't think it's a workable plan. Something else would step in. You have to make peace *with* Hamas. People can change.
Gino, I basically like you and agree with what you post here. I want you to consider that you're proposal is probably the only universally anti-semitic thing ever posted. No offense. Unless you only mean it as a bluff.
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Preachin' to the choir... she's a changeling for sure.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
There's that - and also you nailed what MY problem with Hamas is dead-bang a bit earlier, in that them and Olmerts goons don't wanna stop this shit cause they're feeding off each other to stay in power at the expense of both their peoples.
The question I wish the Hamas supporters would ask themselves is this.
If the relative military strengths of Hamas and the Israeli government were reversed, do you think that there would be more or less dead Israelis than there are dead Palestinians now?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How is this then, give both sides a week to come to some kind of agreement, or if not nuke them all Jew and Muslim alike.
I considered that. But that would involve us. My solution lets Isreal and Hamas settle the problem without outside interference except by the UN (who hand out the official Peace Shovel...the one with the blue steel blade).
Notice my plan involves the destruction of Hamas as a predicate to peace regardless of whether Isreal wins or loses.
H
Then I take it you are against the aid the United State is and has been providing Israel ?
Lets party like its 1939
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How is this then, give both sides a week to come to some kind of agreement, or if not nuke them all Jew and Muslim alike.
I considered that. But that would involve us. My solution lets Isreal and Hamas settle the problem without outside interference except by the UN (who hand out the official Peace Shovel...the one with the blue steel blade).
Notice my plan involves the destruction of Hamas as a predicate to peace regardless of whether Isreal wins or loses.
Hero, congrats for thinking. I think it's possible, but I don't think it's a workable plan. Something else would step in. You have to make peace *with* Hamas. People can change.
Gino, I basically like you and agree with what you post here. I want you to consider that you're proposal is probably the only universally anti-semitic thing ever posted. No offense. Unless you only mean it as a bluff.
Actually it was sarcasm... of a sort
For any peace to be workable a level playing field must be established. Right now the Palestinians have nothing at all to lose. The wrong inflicted on them is compounded every year nothing changes, and there is no impartial forum or redress for them to take. They only have the fight.
Heros statement implies equality, where none exists. If Israels position here is so strong, then why did the US go against Serbia over the KLA and Kosavo ?
The KLA committed many acts of terrorism, and the Serbian army surely would have ended the problem in the same manner Hero suggests... until the US pushes NATO into bombing Serbia.
To me Muslim or Jews or Christians.... I really don't give a crap. You treat people fairly and expect the same in return, and the way the US supports Israel is hypocritical when you consider the way the act in other similar situations...
So if you going to support the genocide of one group, then hell might as well go for both... everyone has dirty hands here
Lets party like its 1939
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
There's that - and also you nailed what MY problem with Hamas is dead-bang a bit earlier, in that them and Olmerts goons don't wanna stop this shit cause they're feeding off each other to stay in power at the expense of both their peoples.
The question I wish the Hamas supporters would ask themselves is this.
If the relative military strengths of Hamas and the Israeli government were reversed, do you think that there would be more or less dead Israelis than there are dead Palestinians now?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Would they have been driven off their land to begin with if that had been the case?
Mind you look at some past acts
http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Zionist terrorists, notably by the Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups.
Don't expect any Hollywood films highlighting any of these massacres:
1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946.
2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951.
3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948.
4. Falameh, April 2, 1951.
5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948.
6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953.
7. Carmel, April 20, 1948.
8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954.
9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948.
10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955.
11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948.
12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955.
13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948.
14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955
15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948.
16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955.
17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950.
18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955.
19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956.
20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956.
21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956.
22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956.
23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956.
24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956.
25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956.
26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956.
26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956.
July 2, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed, killing 91 people.
Menachem Begin, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Ex prime minister, Shamir, was originally a member of the Jewish terrorist gang called Irgun, which was headed by none other than Menachem Begin. Shamir later moved over to the even more radical "Stern Gang," which committed many vicious atrocities.
Shamir himself has defended the various assassinations committed by the Irgun and Stern gangs on the grounds that "it was the only way we could operate, because we were so small. So it was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets." The selected moral targets in those early days of the founding of the state of Israel included bombing of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin.
April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies. In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres as Deir Yasin (where 250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred).
The Jew, Weizman, referred to the massacre as this "miraculous simplification of our task," and Ben Gurion said that "without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel." Americans are not told that ten percent of the Arabs killed by the Israelis in 1948 were Christian, and that ten percent of the Arab property confiscated belonged to Christians. Nor are they told that Israel's massacres and military actions forced 100,000 Christians to become refugees.
Accounts by Red Cross and United Nations observers who visited the scene said that the houses were first set on fire and the occupants were shot down as they came out to escape the flames. One pregnant wo
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Gino
Of course, but take this one, skipping John's theory that the Nazi's were a Rothschild plot to create Zionism, which is plausible, but event driven, I don't see a necessity for it, and I tend not to believe in things that don't *need* to be true. But nonetheless, consider this:
1. The main reason for antisemitism in Germany was that the jewish banking concerns had funded the german war machine, and then had gone and lent money to the opposition during the war. This was the principle charge levelled against them.
Now, sure, the jewish people didn't do this, some bankers did. But, let's carry it further.
2. WWII, the same thing happened with the gnomes of zurich, they were lending money to all sides, and the federal reserve was set up so that the gnomes of liberty street could do the same thing, because the gnomes of london already were.
Now let's be logical and assume that some of these concerns were jewish, but that jews weren't funding the holocaust, and so that necessitates that some of these concerns which were lending money were not jewish.
So, that brings me to
3. It's not Judaism per se that's causing the problem, it's the manner of thinking that the jews have gotten themselves stuck in at times, but they are far from alone in that.
4. What we have to do is look at the root causes:
Socialism, not socialist parties or ideas, but state socialism as imposed cooperation
Capitalism, not the free market, old style ancient egyptian commodity capitalism
Old Testament condoning of genocide which is a part of all major western cultures, not just religions
Arms races, testing new weapons, strategies and tactics.
Feeling of Supremacy, not superiority. The superior would have no need to rule, the would be like the elves. *(japan, most of their history, except when de facto ruled by germany under puppet Tojo) as opposed to the supremacist, who must rule, because his belief is not that he is superior, thought he might believe this, but that he has the right to determine the fate of others. In the ME conflict we see a lot of this from all sides, including our own.
Globalism, anyone believing in a united earth as the only chance for lasting peace
Machiavellian attitude towards any of these, especially the last
World population control. The people who believe in this might do so because they think its right, or because they think their ethnic group is about to be overrun, and so others need to be controlled (west pressuring china on the one child rule in exchange for unfettered free trade: Watch, if that free trade breaks down, that one child policy is out the window)
And of course, bogus historical territorial claims. Every piece of land on earth is claimed several times over. Israel/Palestine, for example, can be claimed by:
Israel
Palestine
Eqypt
Greece
Italy
Syria
Lebanon
Jordan
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Somalia
Eritrea
Am I leaving out anyone? I'm sure I am. So, this "we used to own that piece of land" was a strong part of WwI+II on all sides, and is always a problem, and a strong part of the palestinian conflict, but the list of people who could claim that is usually absurd. Lithuania can lay claim to large parts of Russia, the Ukraine and if I recall correctly, all of Poland. But who cant lay claim to Poland?
Usually, yes, you're correct, I've studied a lot of history, and in each of the above cases, jewish populations were expelled because of what the jewish financial elite was doing with credit economy and what the jewish theocratic elite was doing in trying to change local govt. policies.
But this isn't unique to jews, and it does not logically complete a circuit. I just flamed a post by FMF which admittedly I usually do, not because I have anything against her personally, just that each individual post I analyze objectively, and usually find objectionable. But in this case, it was about the Islamic theocratic elite trying to change local laws in Europe, which they are. Lots of non-jewish groups try to crush and control other nations through credit
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Historical Claims for land are one thing,
like Germany and the Sudetenland, etc
But with Palestine we are talking about individual wrongs,
Not, hey you are now Czech and not German etc but rather the knock on the door in the middle of the night and being thrown off the patch of land your family has farmed for generations to make room for a Jewish immigrant...
how would this affect you?
then with whatever you can carry you live in a ghetto, getting by on handouts... children and grandchildren witness and live this ...
Historical antisemitism aside, I think these people are right to hate Israelis. In their shoes, I would hate and fight too.
In their shoes what would you do ?
How would you end this ?
That last link I tossed in for Geezer as an example of terrorist and ethnic cleansing committed by Israel with no justice done...
another post I paralleled the situation with that of Kosavo pointing out the US has gone both ways in the same sort of situation.
Now you are right about Americans wearing out their welcome, not just in the Middle East, but also Central and South America, Europe, hell even here in Canada I'd say 2 out of three hold the US in contempt...
How do you change that while still pulling the same crap that put you in this position... and don't blame Bush, these policy's have gone on forever.
Lets party like its 1939
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