What's killing this forum
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Thursday, January 15, 2009 02:52
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Well at least the forum seems to be alive and kicking!!! Loadsa posts on here.
I agree with dreamtrove, even tho I'm pretty sure we were arguing on a post the other day. There's absolutely no need for personal attacks on people. Look at the guy/girl who only signed up here yesterday and stumbled across the venom. Coulda scared the poor bugger off (hope it didn't btw) and that'd be a Browncoat lost, which is kinda the point of the site. Man, just cos someone supports a certain position doesn't mean they should be tarred with some radical brush. The term "radical", not an actual crazy broom!!!;) See, really bad jokes are the way to go here.
i'm not saying Riverlove or SignyM(that right?) should stop posting, cause it kinda contravenes the idea of frredom of speech, but next time your hittin out wi one of your venomous rants, just remember that you may be having a huge impact on someone's enjoyment of the site. Like I'd previously said I come on here to talk about big issues cos there's lots of intelligent people to bounce off. Yeah let it get heated and passionate but basically... don't be a dick.
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"You're sometimes over the top."
Show me where I am over the top and not responding to repeated baiting, foul-language, name-calling, baseless accusations, repeated lies, misrepresentations and so on. I don't start these things, but I have no problem responding. BTW I resent the double-standard that says it's OK for OTHER people, but not me.*
"I don't really like the tag-teaming."
I post when I have time and opportunity. That is roughly 1 day a week (or fewer) where I can actively participate in an ongoing discussion in an ongoing way, or even several discussions. There are usually 2-3 days a week where I don't come to the board at all. The rest of the days I may jump into a thread if I have time to read the posts and respond, but if the thread is too long and I can't catch up, I let it go.
I presume SignyM does the same, though I've noticed she is a more consistently present poster than I am.
Anything that looks like tag-teaming to you is purely imaginary on your part. I'm simply not here enough to catch up, let alone coordinate with anyone.
And, BTW, you may have noticed that I have often been the subject of tag-teaming, pile-on, and the like ...
"Remember Chelsea Clinton tearing into some 9 year old girl during the campaign? That's absurd. That's sort of how it looks."
* BTW I resent the double-standard.
This is how it looks to me - the first time around - yeah, maybe someone had a bad day, is young, is new ... 95% of the time, it looks like it's who they are ... after 3 years of the same crap ... sorry. They either learn or they get it back.
I spent years being patient and factual. Did it help ? NO. So I quit.
"... you've gotten into some arguments, and have become a citizeneque immovable object ..."
I'll give you an example. I spent a lot of time in one thread insisting on the facts -
that Hamas won an absolute majority of seats in a parliamentary system, that according to (the obviously Nazi web site) Wikipedia, it gave them the right to form the government WITHOUT a coalition of other parties, that Hamas was the legitimate government of the Gaza strip, and that Abbas' claim to be president was simply the attempt to create a junta.
I also said that Hamas didn't break the truce, that it was broken first by Israel and within 25 hours of signing, and that Hamas didn't fire rockets into Israel during the truce.
All of these are undisputed facts.
Should I NOT insist on them ? You tell me.
And, for my efforts in insisting on facts, I've been called all sorts of names (Nazi and Jew-hater among them), been accused of being horrible things (a Hamas loyalist for example), been derided, been piled-on, and tag-teamed.
I would give you more credit in this if you were not so obviously biased, turning a blind eye when people like Riverlove, Finn, Rap and the like do it, and jumping on me.
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Contravenes...great word. Right up there with specificity and repleat.
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Show me where I am over the top
Sorry, not my dept. You're very well aware that you've gotten into some very heated exchanges that go on for a long time. Me too, I try not to do it anymore. Citizen used to bait me all the time, and it was an endless trap, because he'd always throw in some insinuating snark that required a response. Not falling for that trick.
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I don't start these things, but I have no problem responding.
No one starts it. That's the myth of the playground. The reality is someone step is a puddle, and splashes someone else who says "watch where you're going you clumsy oaf" and then the splasher says "Hey it's no big deal, don't be a freak" and then freak pushes splasher and pretty soon everyone's a nazi. The fact is each retort is trying to outdo the last, and instigation is almost always unintentional. Signy, for example, probably intended nothing insulting by calling river a jew.
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And, BTW, you may have noticed that I have often been the subject of tag-teaming, pile-on, and the like ...
Sorry, I missed it. I tend to not read arguments. Its just that this one couldn't be escaped.
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BTW I resent the double-standard. ... after 3 years of the same
hasn't been three years, her membership isn't a year old, and she wasn't here last time I was on.
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I spent years being patient and factual. Did it help ? NO. So I quit.
Not sure. I don't take you to task for it but I think politically you're pretty much glued to one side. Not FMF glued, but glued. I think finn, rap and geez are glued to the other side, and that's in decreasing order of glue, but most of us are kind of in the middle somewhere.
If there were a rational discussion, I could see both sides on the Israel-Palestine thing, but this isn't a rational discussion, so there's no point.
"... you've gotten into some arguments, and have become a citizeneque immovable object ..."
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I'll give you an example. I spent a lot of time in one thread insisting on the facts -
that Hamas won an absolute majority of seats in a parliamentary system, that according to (the obviously Nazi web site) Wikipedia,
Sorry, you're getting emotional again. Don't godwin your own argument.
A lot of things are in question. Hamas was elected sure, but so was Ohlmert. This is just an example of democracy being a sucky system. I mean, Bush was elected and sits there with his 15%, Ohlmert has 3%, but did all of the above cheat? probably. Was everyone allowed to vote? democrats weren't allowed to vote in the democratic primary. If they were, it probably would've been McCain in 2000. I think the same in reverse, it would probably still be Obama. But then there's the manipulation of the situation. Obama didn't win on merit or platform, he won because Bush was awful. Hamas won because their opponents were pathetic appeasers. I mean if Bush had reacted to 9-11 by saying "oh well, sh*t happens" and then someone had blown up the sears tower and he had said "yep, sucks to be us" then would he have a snowflakes chance of re-election in 2004? Of course not.
The point being: It's legit to criticize Hamas, who is largely foreign funded anyway.
I'm not a strong believer in democracy. I mean Robert Mugabe is a democratically elected leader. Manmohan Singh is the result of a coup. Singh is probably one of the best world leaders today, and Mugabe is one of the worst.
So sure, but I don't really want to argue this. I have mixed feelings about Hamas. Like the ANC, they have a lot of ex-terrorist baggage. The ranters on the right have a point, so do the ones on the left. The result is not a constructive discussion.
Here's who I really have a problem with: Egypt. The should get involved as the only power that borders Gaza. They could help refugees, and no one else can. No one should be blaming the people of either country for the nonsense that is going on. Those people who want out ought to be able to get out.
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Badger,
I've already forgotten what it was about. I think we've had more agreements than disagreements. There are only a couple people here who would boot me if given a chance. Ironically they seem to be people I bearly know, rather than ones I vehemently disagree with.
I'm not consistent in my disagreements because I have an unusual world view, and I'm bound to fall outside of the political spectrum. I'm always going to comment on the racist threads, I think that helps no one. People who hurled nazi my way somehow missed the number of times I took PN to task for his use of "Jews", something I've since given up on, but it's pretty much on a par with the number of times I've ragged on rap for the reverse. So, sure, if someone posts consistently on the same topic, I'm liable to argue with them for a while and then give up, but most people I might vehemently disagree one day, and then wholeheartedly agree the next.
For instance, I disagree with the Bush crowd and the Clintonistas both a pretty solid 95% of the time. I'm right of center, so I'll agree with Ron Paul more than Dennis Kuccinich, but I'll probably still pick Dennis over Bush on most issues. A lot of issues I'm of really a mixed mind on.
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The dratted double!
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Quote:Kinda agree there. I've been called all kinds of horrible names by peeps on the right who think that name-calling is a discussion. That they've somehow "proved their point" if they can find just the right insult.
I would give you more credit in this if you were not so obviously biased, turning a blind eye when people like Riverlove, Finn, Rap and the like do it, and jumping on me.
Mostly, I ignore them. But this time I tried something new: I wanted to show RIVERLOVE what it would look like if we ALL decided to be just like him. And yanno what? He squalled like a little baby; got out his verbal Uzi and sprayed the board, all the while whining about how badly he was been treated.
Pobrecito!
I doubt RIVERLOVE learned much from it, but maybe others have.
But the other thing is that tit-for-tat doesn't help. Kinds like Israel and Hamas, it doesn't matter WHO started it, somebody has to be the grownup and end it. And the best ending for trolls and badly behaved people is to JUST IGNORE THEM.
They WANT you to get angry. They WANT to suck you into their little malicious world of hate. They figure, since THEY hate so much, EVERYBODY hates just as much as they do. But there is nothing quite as satisfying as seeing someone spew to nobody in an empty thread.
So for me, I'm gonna go back to ignoring the badly behaved.BY the way, I had a GREAT weekend! Played tennis (it was 85 deg and sunny) and had some killer rallies. Set up a TV stand and finally got the living room furnished and organized. Started cleaning out the "junk room". (Some peeps have junks drawers... I have a junk room.
) Managed to cook ahead several days so that my week is clear for work. All in all... wow. I couldn't have asked for a better weekend.what about YOU guys?
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I just like to yank their chain every once in a while, causing overt foaming at the mouth and revealing their true character so that no one unwittingly takes them seriously.
They make it so bloody easy it's not even a challenge anymore.
But I got a use for em, boy do I ever - how else to proxy-sandbag the dumbass policies of a liberal administration filled with Clintonista Globalists than to wind up the hard-right bigots and zealots and watch them do all the work for me while conveniently reducing the numbers of *those* morons in play when they inevitably overstep themselves in their wild-eyed partisan blindness.
Hell, they practically work for me, for free, and don't even realise it - not to mention being so pridefully ignorant and stupid that even telling them this to their face will have no effect on their behavior cause they think they're immune to such manipulation.
Bout the same use I got for wild-eyed liberal idealists out to save the world, useful as heck in the other direction, and handy as heck for bait.
Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing the lot of em wipe each other out so that decent reasonable folk can live in peace, but there's that whole collateral damage issue.
Still, it tickles me to set them on each other and watch the fur fly.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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I don't really appreciate the encouragement of the unstable to self destruct, but forget that for a moment, Frem, you get a bailout? Why don't I get one!?
I think I need to start a new company, Global Failsafe Securities. our stock symbol will be NASDAQ:FAIL. Then our lawfirm Dewey Chetem and Howe can go to washington and represent our case:
This year, our losses are growing by leaps and bound. In the first quarter we lost $10, second quarter we lost $100, and third quarter we lost $1000. Don't you realize that at this rate by 2053 be will have lost $10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000?
That will collapse the galactic economy!
But it can be offset with a $540 billion dollar bailout today. (Never works to ask the govt. for small amounts of money.)
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Kinda agree there. I've been called all kinds of horrible names by peeps on the right who think that name-calling is a discussion. That they've somehow "proved their point" if they can find just the right insult.
I would give you more credit in this if you were not so obviously biased, turning a blind eye when people like Riverlove, Finn, Rap and the like do it, and jumping on me.
Mostly, I ignore them. But this time I tried something new: I wanted to show RIVERLOVE what it would look like if we ALL decided to be just like him. And yanno what? He squalled like a little baby; got out his verbal Uzi and sprayed the board, all the while whining about how badly he was been treated.
Pobrecito!
I doubt RIVERLOVE learned much from it, but maybe others have.
But the other thing is that tit-for-tat doesn't help. Kinds like Israel and Hamas, it doesn't matter WHO started it, somebody has to be the grownup and end it. And the best ending for trolls and badly behaved people is to JUST IGNORE THEM.
They WANT you to get angry. They WANT to suck you into their little malicious world of hate. They figure, since THEY hate so much, EVERYBODY hates just as much as they do. But there is nothing quite as satisfying as seeing someone spew to nobody in an empty thread.
BY the way, I had a GREAT weekend! Played tennis (it was 85 deg and sunny) and had some killer rallies. Set up a TV stand and finally got the living room furnished and organized. Started cleaning out the "junk room". (Some peeps have junks drawers... I have a junk room.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Please, don't come whining at me about how horrible I am for calling you names, you drunken, death-loving cunt.
I hope you die in your own drunken vomit.
and BTW Fuck you.:
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