What's killing this forum
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Thursday, January 15, 2009 02:52
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No, it's not being strangled by lichens, but it is dying. I've noticed a drop off in posters, and posts. News Headlines has ground to a complete halt. RWED is getting close to dead.
I kinda like the dog fighting pits, because they distract the trolls from the rest of the discussion, a sort of natural selection, but the overall hostility has made the would be posters back off, abandon threads, rooms, and eventually the forum, as I have done more than once.
It's the hate. The personal attack threads. Riverlove is more to be pitied than censured at this point, but remember that her namesake was not a straight arrow.
People need to calm down.
Rule #1. Read the line at the top of the page before submitting your post. They say things like "I love freedom of speech just as much as you, but I hope that you will post messages that are at least somewhat civil and in good taste." on this particular one.
2. Read over your post, and see if it fits that.
3. If it doesn't, edit, but before you edit, go take a breather. If, for instance, you need to go kill something, such as Hamas, then have at it.
4. The bagel this is really f^&king annoying. It's worse than the Nazi-calling
5. We're all browncoats here. People can be of any political stripe, and I suspect a lot of us are pretty far from Joss in some ways, but we all agree on some level, and we should focus on what we agree on.
Gaza and Israel. We all disagree. Let's drop it. Unless someone here has a fix that they can implement. If it were up to me, I'd take Yassin and Ohlmert out to the desert and build them a thunderdome and let the, well, let some guy win, and then they can decide the fate of the Levant. If it's two men enter, no one leaves, that also works for me. Probably for everyone else. But since I can't implement that plan, there's no point in destroying the forum.
My point is, y'all is scaring the fish away.
I kinda like RiverLove. She should recognize that SignyM has been here since the middle ages, and is ultra mellow. Rue gets a little intense at times, and maybe needs to go kill something, or save a puppy, or whatever it takes, but we should all read the lines posted above our to-be posts, and take chill pill, a long walk, or go hack up some reavers until we can post something civil.
It can still be something insane
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I've been here long enough to see that it's a cyclical thing; it happens with most forums to one degree or another. Things heat up, things are said, civility is called for, things calm down until the next big love-it-or-hate-it topic comes along. Maybe we all just need to vent now and again...
Also, things ARE going to slow down a bit when there's no news on the Firefly front. No new movie rumors are circulating, we're all patiently awaiting Dollhouse, nothing new on any rumored Buffyverse movies or miniseries ("Ripper", anyone? Spike movie? Anything?).
So, with nothing better to do with our favorite website, we get bored and start yanking each other's tails to see what reaction we'll get. Mostly, the reactions are predictable. Occasionally, they're surprising.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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My point is, y'all is scaring the fish away.
I'm just glad you used " y'all " in it's proper form, instead of ya'll.
Though I think it's " y'all ARE ", and not " y'all IS ". Maybe both are acceptable ? Not 100% certain on that part.
Oh, speaking of Spike. No news here, but I DL'd some audio clips for my IPod, and randomly have Buffy/Angel/Firefly lines playing during my song list. There aren't too many, currently, so they're fairly infrequent in occurence. Yesterday I was listening, and between songs, Spike blurts out, " Sorry Spock, I don't speak loser ".
I just had to laugh.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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DT, thanks fer nuthin'. This board should die if people like SignyM can call me a JEW CUNT and worse, and others accept it. At least I got a BRAVO! yesterday from Auraptor, someone I respect, and that balances out a hundred Fuck You's from SignyM. You want to play pussyfoot with these vile in thought and vocabulary anti-Semetic terrorist apologists, fine with me. Bye
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Quote:The bagel "worse" then the Nazi-calling? Holy crap! It's just a silly quote from Family Guy.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
No, it's not being strangled by lichens, but it is dying. I've noticed a drop off in posters, and posts. News Headlines has ground to a complete halt. RWED is getting close to dead.
I kinda like the dog fighting pits, because they distract the trolls from the rest of the discussion, a sort of natural selection, but the overall hostility has made the would be posters back off, abandon threads, rooms, and eventually the forum, as I have done more than once.
It's the hate. The personal attack threads. Riverlove is more to be pitied than censured at this point, but remember that her namesake was not a straight arrow.
People need to calm down.
Rule #1. Read the line at the top of the page before submitting your post. They say things like "I love freedom of speech just as much as you, but I hope that you will post messages that are at least somewhat civil and in good taste." on this particular one.
2. Read over your post, and see if it fits that.
3. If it doesn't, edit, but before you edit, go take a breather. If, for instance, you need to go kill something, such as Hamas, then have at it.
4. The bagel this is really f^&king annoying. It's worse than the Nazi-calling
5. We're all browncoats here. People can be of any political stripe, and I suspect a lot of us are pretty far from Joss in some ways, but we all agree on some level, and we should focus on what we agree on.
Gaza and Israel. We all disagree. Let's drop it. Unless someone here has a fix that they can implement. If it were up to me, I'd take Yassin and Ohlmert out to the desert and build them a thunderdome and let the, well, let some guy win, and then they can decide the fate of the Levant. If it's two men enter, no one leaves, that also works for me. Probably for everyone else. But since I can't implement that plan, there's no point in destroying the forum.
My point is, y'all is scaring the fish away.
I kinda like RiverLove. She should recognize that SignyM has been here since the middle ages, and is ultra mellow. Rue gets a little intense at times, and maybe needs to go kill something, or save a puppy, or whatever it takes, but we should all read the lines posted above our to-be posts, and take chill pill, a long walk, or go hack up some reavers until we can post something civil.
It can still be something insane
I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin
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it's a cyclical thing
Yah, but each cycle, we lose folks.
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love-it-or-hate-it topic
Should just agree to disagree. I mean, I think that one side should be allowed to debate itself, like I thought it was good to be proven wrong on 2nd amendment, but just two things to note: 1) there was unnecessary hostility from some people, and 2) I wasn't the voice of gun control. If there had been a voice of gun control, it would've turned into a spiraling heap of gaza. But like, a thread on abortion between both sides? That serves no one.
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things ARE going to slow down a bit when there's no news on the Firefly front.
There's a nathan thing coming out, and Sarah Conner Chronicles, Summer as evil robot, pretty hot. I have to say, if I make one criticism of SCC it's that it moves too fast. They should take a look at Buffy. The whole idea of a terminator as a high school student, that was interesting, it was worth a full six-episode stretch at least. There was hardly any char dev time. Likewise with the gf Riley? Where's the relationship. Either do it well, guys, or don't do it at all. I mean, I'm happy if they want to abandon John Connor's social life, but if they're going to do it, they should put in some heart and soul. It's not "star-trek" bad on that level, but it's not up to Joss level. Another one: River forgets she's a terminator. That was a great ep. Err, Cameron I mean. Anyway, I would have carried that for several eps.
And, there's room for Dollhouse speculation. I think it's there, it's just that if people just leave the site, as they might do when we all sink to godwin levels, then they don't post.
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Mostly, the reactions are predictable. Occasionally, they're surprising.
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I'm just glad you used " y'all " in it's proper form, instead of ya'll.
Though I think it's " y'all ARE ", and not " y'all IS ". Maybe both are acceptable ? Not 100% certain on that part.
I'm secretly from Kentucky. wasn't always a new yorker. It just slips out every once in a while. It's kind of interesting how different politics are regionally. Not always what people would expect. Like, the strongest right winger here is a mexican. He doesn't have an accent, and I didn't know for a long time, just thought he was short and dark. There's some mexifobia, but mostly coming from the skinheads, who are usually the same people as the crackheads, and I think they get their politics made to order from somewhere in california. Anyway, a lot of strong stances on 2nd amendment as stuff, and the libertarian stuff, but not so much on the religious front. There are a lot of fundamentalists up here, but they have abandoned politics completely. No megachurches, just mennonite communities and the like.
Racism is very different too. In KY everyone was pretty much separate but equal, not a lot of hostility between any groups, not a lot of hate. Up here, there's like two different camps, the peaceable kingdom melting pot camp and the lets hate [target group(s)] camp. Another dif. lot of italians, lot of jews up here, but the jewish people don't go ape on palestinians, or muslims. They tend not to be anti-Israel, just some of the hassidem, but they tend to call it as they see it, most of them just peg that sitution as unchecked aggression from the Ohlmert govt. and leave it at that. An increasing number of muslims also. That's awkward, because they don't talk to anyone else. No, correction, the arab muslims don't talk to anyone else. Pakistanis are very gregarious, there's not really any distance. I don't know, it's just interesting to watch humans react differently to clashing cultures.
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Sorry Spock, I don't speak loser.
Spike has a band I've never listened to it. I also haven't caught high school musical, but wondered if it was buffy inspired. My personal idea for a Joss project I had a couple years ago. I think he should do a show something like Sunnydale, that's just perpetual musical, with different characters, maybe three
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The bagel "worse" then the Nazi-calling? Holy crap! It's just a silly quote from Family Guy.
Yeah, the bagel thing is worse than insulting, it's annoying. It like, an actual nazi could sign onto this forum and take a position, probably not even as anti-semitic as some of the things already posted here, I don't think there are any nazis here. But if some nazi were to sign up and want to chat about firefly, I wouldn't go ape on them and say "dude, your people killed my ancestors" anymore than NVG does against us. I mean, from a time perspective, that was not that much longer ago. True, nazis chose to join a group with a history of genocide, but there's not really a logic too it. I suppose the same could be said of a lot of groups.
But the bagel thing is just ew. Like having a picture of your jizm as an avatar.
I actually thought the "choke and die on your own vomit was worse than the nazi thing, but I said I wouldn't take sides, so I just view it as a part of a radical escalation.
Humans are pretty simple critters. some hurls a rocket or ten over the border, and someone else sends a sortie, and pretty soon you have a genocidal war. It's sad that humanity hasn't outgrown this, but think of this, it's sadder that heads of state haven't.
River has some sympathy with the Israelis, and Signy has some sympathy with the Palestinians, but neither of them should get rapped up in this. Ohlmert is a class a rat bastard, and so is his palestinian counterpart. I mean, these are people who have literally raped and killed, personally, for kicks, they're reavers, both of them, and neither River nor Signy, if they knew a rapist+murderer personally would be defending them. They'd be keeping minimum safe distance. But now they're at each others throats because they have general sympathies with larger populations, and the result is absurd.
But understandable. The Bagel thing is just a yuck factor which has no justification. I don't want to think about your teenage jizm on my food.
If you want to be inappropriate, at least post a porno or something. I have some good slash topics in mind.
I don't know why but the kinkiest thing in the show was when River decided to marry Simon. More than the lesbian thing. Joss gets hot an bothered by two girls going at it, who doesn't, but he doesn't do it all that well, save one, and I don't mean willow and tara:
Faith+Buffy. That was probably the hottest girl-girl thing that Joss has done to date. Don't believe me, check out the lesbians online and what they choose to make their youtubes about. Someone's made a whole slew of Tatu videos.
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I'm not sure about the forum being "killed". I mean, I see your point, some of the attacks on people on the thread about the gaza situation were pretty much bang out, but that same thread was the first time i've posted anything on here for about 6 months, regular posters probably wouldn't've recognised my name. I appreciated the fact that even the people I was arguing with seemed pretty intelligent and well informed about the Middle-East. To be honest it was a bit of a surprise, as a lot of Europeans figure that Americans don't really pay much attention to stuff outside the US Of A. I mean no offence by that, my point is if that post hadn't inspired such passionate responses I wouldn't have known how politically and socially aware a lot of the folks on here are.
Sometimes we might get a bit carried away, but as long as we can make a couple of on-the-edge jokes i see no reason why we can't continue to discuss such charged topics on here. I think people are too quick to make big leaps as well, any1 supporting the Palestinian cause was a terrorist sympathiser and anti-Semitic, while any1 supporting israel was war-mongering. Just be content to let people air their views and argue the point in a civilised manner. As a heads up if your start going radge calling folks all sorts, you kinda lose undermine your points, cause you just look irrational and pretty daft. You crazy Yanks.... 
ps i hope those smileys work else am gona look REAL stupid!!!!
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Quote:The problem is that Firefly has been gone for a long time and the threads that bind us together as a community are dwindling. I saw the same thing happen with Dark Angel when it was cancelled. The difference between the Dark Angel forum and this one is that we have the RWED thread or the “Scum Trap” as I like to call it. The political debate, the religious debate, etc that often tends to become heated and breed bad tempers occurs in the RWED to a large extent and keeps the rest of the board more or less on topic. The Dark Angel forum didn’t have that. They had a “General topics” board, where Dark Angel discussion and everything else took place. It didn’t take more then a year after Dark Angel was canceled before the debate on the board was completely consumed by religious and political discussion and people forgot the lines that connected them as a community.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
No, it's not being strangled by lichens, but it is dying. I've noticed a drop off in posters, and posts. News Headlines has ground to a complete halt. RWED is getting close to dead.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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My personal idea for a Joss project I had a couple years ago. I think he should do a show something like Sunnydale, that's just perpetual musical, with different characters, maybe three songs an ep, invite different people to write for it.
My personal idea for a good Joss project would be along the same lines, but my idea was a full-on Broadway musical (and I tend to loathe musicals) of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Just based on what he did with the episode "Once More With Feeling", I found myself wanting to see the whole series condensed down to 2-3 hours, as a musical.
Sadly, given the current state of Broadway musicals, I don't see that happening too soon.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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