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UPDATED: Saturday, May 29, 2004 02:29
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GHOLA

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:51 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceGeneral:
When I said there should be aliens in the series, I wasn't referring to intelligent lifeform in the same vein as Vulcans, Klingons, Delvians, Hynerians or the Hutt. I'd be quite happy if the aliens was something they herded like cattle in the cowboy era. I wonder how successful it would've been if aliens were involved. As it is based on the early part of the the US life, I wonder who the equivalent of the Native Americans are supposed to be. If you're going to be base it on a past, you might as well base it on the whole era...

Why would the show be any better or worse if they had cool looking alien cattle? I just don't see the point to creating aliens that aren't really characters they're just their showing that hey there are aliens in this show too. And why do you think the show needs to be based on the entire past just because it uses some elements of the past? Firefly is still science fiction it has some elements of the past but they're all blended together it's not a TV show about history.

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Is the film going to be a cinematic version or just an extended episode on Sci-Fi?

Serenity will be released in theaters.

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:03 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceGeneral:
....As it is based on the early part of the the US life, I wonder who the equivalent of the Native Americans are supposed to be. If you're going to be base it on a past, you might as well base it on the whole era...

...As the series is based on the past, are the Reevers also based on a past group ?

The weak responses I referred to related to lack of argument as seen in the early replies.

The Reevers were pretty obviously a stand in for indians, not so much real Native Americans but more the threatening savage stereotype found in the classic western genre.

I get the impression you didn't get to see the show as a solid run. You should take some time and watch the DVD, from the beginning. I think a lot of your concerns will be answered.

That's not to say we can't offer constructive criticism, it just seems yours is somewhat uninformed.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:29 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceGeneral:
When I said there should be aliens in the series, I wasn't referring to intelligent lifeform in the same vein as Vulcans, Klingons, Delvians, Hynerians or the Hutt. I'd be quite happy if the aliens was something they herded like cattle in the cowboy era.

I don't think that alien life, even as herd animals would add anything to the show. You have to remember that the worlds we see in Firefly are all worlds terraformed by the Alliance. Before being terraformed they were all but uninhabitable, so I doubt they would have substained indigenous life of any kind save the most basic.

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I wonder how successful it would've been if aliens were involved.

I doubt it would have been any more successful, given Fox's gross mishandling of the show: airing the episodes out of order, canning the original pilot (Serenity) for a shorter one (Train Job) written in a single weekend, preempting the show for baseball coverage, and putting the show in the timeslot of death, Friday nights @ 8pm.

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As it is based on the early part of the the US life, I wonder who the equivalent of the Native Americans are supposed to be. If you're going to be base it on a past, you might as well base it on the whole era...

I agree w/ Sergeant X that the Reavers are supposed to be the stand ins for Native Americans. There have been a couple of threads discussing the comparisons in depth.

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Is the film going to be a cinematic version or just an extended episode on Sci-Fi ?

"Serenity" will appear in theatres in early 2005. It will not be a TV movie.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

ZIZZY

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:04 PM

On the alien policy, I do believe he was quoted as saying he needed to get away from latex for awhile.

I personally love the Western twang. Feels to me like a throwback to the origins of the word "Space Opera" Just because EVERY Sci-fi has aliens doesn't mean it needs to be that way. To me, silly latex faces don't make good shows, storytelling does. Joss wanted to tell the stories about what would happen to people in the future. And to a degree I think it's creepier when Reevers are men pushed to insanity. It's easier to write of brutality when done by an alien, but when done by something that was once human...that be creepiness.

AMAZONZOE

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceGeneral:
When I said there should be aliens in the series, I wasn't referring to intelligent lifeform in the same vein as Vulcans, Klingons, Delvians, Hynerians or the Hutt. I'd be quite happy if the aliens was something they herded like cattle in the cowboy era. I wonder how successful it would've been if aliens were involved. As it is based on the early part of the the US life, I wonder who the equivalent of the Native Americans are supposed to be. If you're going to be base it on a past, you might as well base it on the whole era...

I can understand where people are coming from with respect to the characters. I just would've done it differently, just expressing my view.

Is the film going to be a cinematic version or just an extended episode on Sci-Fi ?

As the series is based on the past, are the Reevers also based on a past group ?

The weak responses I referred to related to lack of argument as seen in the early replies.

this is hopeless

HOWDYROCKERBABY1

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceGeneral:
I'd be quite happy if the aliens was something they herded like cattle in the cowboy era.

THATS IT!
Thats the missing piece! The ratings would have jumped sky high if we'd only had 3 eyed, 6 legged cows with neon spots!

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As the series is based on the past, are the Reevers also based on a past group ?

Its not a history story. Every single culture has been ripped out of its orignal place and thrown into a hugh melting pot. Race, religion, doesn't matter...Reevers could be black, white, chinese...it doesn't matter.

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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

ABSALON

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceGeneral:

Is the film going to be a cinematic version or just an extended episode on Sci-Fi ?

SpaceGeneral, if your going to see this movie, try to stay quiet in the theatre, as a fairly new but now dedicated Firefly fan, i can tell you we defend our dear program passionately

oh, i'm going to that special part of hell

GREGGALLINSON

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:20 PM

Despite the fact that it's an overt space western, Firefly has a much more realistic take on science fiction than most SF TV shows. The lack of noise in space and all human universe are more in the style of Foundation or 2001 (well, OK, 2001 did have aliens, but they were in the background and never seen) than the traditional Trek/Galactica/Wars-style space opera that's dominated North American SF TV and movies for years. What in god's name would be the point of throwing in some BEMs and removing anything even remotely unique and interesting about the series?

GORAMSHINY

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:33 PM

First of, and if it's been pointed out already forgive me, Friends had Six main characters, not five ( Ross, Joey, Chandler, Monica, Phoebe, Rachel )

Secondly, not to feed the trolls ( or the flames ) but here is my two cents on the whole 'Aliens' issue... A) There is ample reason to believe in the existence of intelligent life outside of our own existing in the universe ( Drakes Equation ) but given the size of the universe and the inherent difficulties in traveling such distances it's not inconceivable for those in the firefly 'Verse to have not meet any yet. I do believe that firefly is set some 500 years into the future and, without wanting to reopen the debate, whether firefly is set in several close star systems or one large system of several dozen teraformed planet(oids), that humanity is still fairly close, universe wise, to earth that was thus supporting the idea that, if other races do exist in the firefly 'Verse, humanity has thus far only seen a very small portion there of.

B) As to the whole slimming the crew idea...

Um... No! Mal is a must, Can't have serenity without her captain.

Wash is pilot and navigator and you can't have Wash without Zoe and even if you could Zoe is essential in her own right as both Mal's second in command and trained gunmen for those less smooth occasions on a job.

Jayne, even putting aside his comic relief aspect ( and for me it's a tie which generates the most laughs, he or Wash ) is, again, a good man with a gun when you need one.

Kaylee's what keeps the ship flying, and most likely, the crew from each others necks.

Simon is the Doc, Can't be doing crime without someone around to patch a body up when plans go south and you wont have Simon without River ( who may be the one person on the ship that actually serves no purpose no mater how much browncoats may love her )

Inara ( aka 'the prostitute' ) is Serenity's all access pass to some of the finer planets. A companion is probably the only thing that gets them clearance to orbit some planets let alone make landfall.

Which just leaves Book and while God may have no place on board Serenity this here is one man of god that does. Whether it's playing babysitter to river when everyone else is out or shooting the odd kneecap or his as yet unexplained knowledge of the seamier side of life Book has show himself to be a valuable asset for Serenity and her Crew several times.

So... I really don't see how one could get rid of any of them let alone the ones mentioned specifically.

But then again, that's just my two cents.

EBONEZER

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:12 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceGeneral:

It's arrogant to believe we are the only inhabitents of the Universe....

Totaly arrogant, you're abosloutly right. There is no way in hell that we are the only ones around. (I'm not being sarcastic, really)

On the otherhand, the universe is an immensly huge place, the chances of us running into said aleins is slim to none.

Also, I can't see the couple (I assume you refer to Wash and Zoe) being removed. It would be hard to get anywhere without a pilot...

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