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RIVERLOVE

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:12 PM

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Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.

PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida. But with Obama & Panetta now in charge of keeping all of us safe, I'm swinging back to Al Qaida. Like Carter and Clinton, Obama & Panetta will gut the agency again. Panetta will be firewall between the CIA & The White House, and morale at the CIA will suffer. CIA needs an experienced war-time leader, not some competant administrator with no intelligence experience. Many ex-CIA guys are predicting the gutting of the CIA, and are also predicitng terror attacks this year in the US. If we do get a major hit from Al Qaida, it will fall squarely on he shoulders of Obama. If Panetta's going to use The Army Field Manual as his template for prisoner handling, which was written for privates, not officers or civilians, then we'll never get an ounce of intelligence again. No more aggressive interrogationss, no more overseas phone tapping, bye-bye-Patriot Act, etc. I wonder even after we're attacked, and thousands, or tens of thousand of Americans are dead, how long it will take the first Liberal to come out from hiding under his cherished Obama campaign sign to blame America for it.

Of course you are correct, but try to keep in mind the silver lining in this cloud. When attacks are made and large bodycounts occur, they will be in "population centers" aka cities. Guess which political loonies are centralized in cities? The Liberals, of course!! The vast majority of voting wards in the country are conservative, only outweighed by the city populations. Think of this historical turnaround: For centuries the guardians of freedom have given the ultimate sacrifice, the more conservative type have perished, becoming The Silent Majority - their genetic lines terminated, all to protect the liberals and other cowards, who multiply and dilute the ritheous voting pool. Now, the liberals will have their constituents perishing, ridding us of their evil and/or cluelessness, all for the sake of Liberalism and increasing the Federal debt. I'm thinking that's peotic justice, but maybe some might think it irony.

So by this definition 9/11 had you opening a bottle of champagne and cheering?

For some reason when people start talking about cleansing the gene pool of faulty politics - and how awesome it would be - I get twitchy. Must be because my own country had really funny ideas along the same lines, just about 60 to 70 years back. I'm sure those guardians of freedom you speak about would be delighted with your point of view that city populations being attacked is a great thing for your country.

I suspect my sarcasm detector may be off. I just can't believe you really meant that.

JSF is obviously ribbing & hyperbolizing here. Relax, no one wants to see any dead Americans. If anyone did, then they would be despicable. We've had enough of that the last 8 years.

RIVERLOVE

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:26 PM

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Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.

PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida. But with Obama & Panetta now in charge of keeping all of us safe, I'm swinging back to Al Qaida. Like Carter and Clinton, Obama & Panetta will gut the agency again. Panetta will be firewall between the CIA & The White House, and morale at the CIA will suffer. CIA needs an experienced war-time leader, not some competant administrator with no intelligence experience. Many ex-CIA guys are predicting the gutting of the CIA, and are also predicitng terror attacks this year in the US. If we do get a major hit from Al Qaida, it will fall squarely on he shoulders of Obama. If Panetta's going to use The Army Field Manual as his template for prisoner handling, which was written for privates, not officers or civilians, then we'll never get an ounce of intelligence again. No more aggressive interrogationss, no more overseas phone tapping, bye-bye-Patriot Act, etc. I wonder even after we're attacked, and thousands, or tens of thousand of Americans are dead, how long it will take the first Liberal to come out from hiding under his cherished Obama campaign sign to blame America for it.

Of course you are correct, but try to keep in mind the silver lining in this cloud. When attacks are made and large bodycounts occur, they will be in "population centers" aka cities. Guess which political loonies are centralized in cities? The Liberals, of course!! The vast majority of voting wards in the country are conservative, only outweighed by the city populations. Think of this historical turnaround: For centuries the guardians of freedom have given the ultimate sacrifice, the more conservative type have perished, becoming The Silent Majority - their genetic lines terminated, all to protect the liberals and other cowards, who multiply and dilute the ritheous voting pool. Now, the liberals will have their constituents perishing, ridding us of their evil and/or cluelessness, all for the sake of Liberalism and increasing the Federal debt. I'm thinking that's peotic justice, but maybe some might think it irony.

I am kind of a silver lining person, but your "joshing" will be mis-interpreted here by some as you saw above. I don't want us to get attacked, but it does seem that the perfect storm for it is approaching. On the other hand the Obama Presidency might usher in a great new age. The man has decades of experience in dealing with criminals, terrorists, and other assorted America-haters. He has had the ability to weave in and out of the sludge to get things done. He may be able to set the stage for world peace by appealing & negotiating directly to those that are causing all the mayhem in the world, Iran. He may have that ability. Eight years of Bush's efforts hasn't exactly eliminated any threat, and latley it seems the threat is worse than ever. I'm willing to give Obama a shot at trying it his way. As if I have a choice anyway.

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

JSF is obviously ribbing & hyperbolizing here. Relax, no one wants to see any dead Americans. If anyone did, then they would be despicable. We've had enough of that the last 8 years.

I guess you're right.

The humor was a bit too vicious for me to appreciate it as such, but it does make much more sense that way. I'm quite relieved.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 8, 2009 5:44 PM

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I guess you're right.

The humor was a bit too vicious for me to appreciate it as such, but it does make much more sense that way. I'm quite relieved.

I’m with you. I think a lot of this humor, if that’s what we’re calling it, isn’t very funny when it makes light of death and destruction for no real reason. Too often people use humor as a means of shifting accountably away from them for comments that would otherwise be totally unacceptable. I feel the same thing about the “Israel and Palestine in Peaceful Co-Existence.” Although the thread is cloaked in humor, I suspect humor is being used to oversimplify a complex and desperate situation to force it into personal prejudices.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, January 8, 2009 6:07 PM

I thought the Bush shoe throwing thing was pretty funny at first, 3 Stooges stuff, and then I started thinking about the guy who threw it. It was hugely serious to him. He risked so much to make that statement (and it wasn't a bomb or a gun).

As for the “Israel and Palestine in Peaceful Co-Existence” thread, I participated because my personal prejudice is that both sides are guilty and Hamas seemed to be under represented. Like the shoe throwing, I agree, it's not really funny.

KWICKO

Thursday, January 8, 2009 6:40 PM

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Finn, you're an idiot.

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I'd like to nominate this for the dumbest thing posted, after Finn's personal hatefest against me blamed me for the holocaust.

DT, it gets even worse - It was people exactly like Finn (and I'll bet he was one of them) who, along with Reagan, ridiculously romanticized the Mujahideen in the 80's, and called them things like "freedom fighters". And then they turned around and did the same thing with the Contras in Central America. So everything he has accused you of loving about Hamas, is the same things that he loved about other terrorist groups, so long as they served our interests, more or less, at the time. It's not that he's agasint terrorism or death squads - it's just that he's against it if it's not wrapped in an American flag first.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Thursday, January 8, 2009 6:48 PM

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He may be able to set the stage for world peace by appealing & negotiating directly to those that are causing all the mayhem in the world, Iran.

Iran is responsible for ALL the mayhemm in the world? Really? Aren't they the ones who invaded Iraq 6 years ago and hanged Saddam? You're right - those guys ARE dicks!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Thursday, January 8, 2009 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Republicans for killing Jews!!!!

Well, given what passes for humor in your world...

Or were you not joking about this?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:27 PM

Ah, Pizmo, we laugh to allow ourselves to deal with what we cannot change. That's why Jon Stewart has a job. But more than that, think about the number of jokes in society revolve around death. It's really quite high.

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KWICKO

DT, it gets even worse - It was people exactly like Finn (and I'll bet he was one of them) who, along with Reagan, ridiculously romanticized the Mujahideen in the 80's, and called them things like "freedom fighters". And then they turned around and did the same thing with the Contras in Central America. So everything he has accused you of loving about Hamas, is the same things that he loved about other terrorist groups, so long as they served our interests, more or less, at the time. It's not that he's agasint terrorism or death squads - it's just that he's against it if it's not wrapped in an American flag first.

Mike

This was so close to the truth I had to repost. I said this earlier, I think in this very thread. I would change it slightly to say "those that aren't buying from us, or fulfilling our agenda, inentionally or unintentionally in some way."

You're not going to see Finn attack JSOC and its operations in western afghanistan which have led to the bombing of some girls schools, and that grant the Al Qaeda network unlimited access to US military resources (brought to you by Pelosi, Boehner and Co.) Because those guys are fulfilling the true agenda of trying to destabilize Iran. Nevermind that the CIA is screaming bloody murder over this, the pentagon has a hard on for war, and is, as JS said, gay for oil.

I just want to rewind to point something out here.

The Al Qaeda network is a network, which is based on Hezbollah, which in turn is based on darpanet. This isn't the only time that retro-tech has evolved from computers. A lot of you have probably played Dungeons and Dragons, but how many knew that it was derived from a computer game.

AQ aids and trades throughout the Sunni world in the same way as Hezbollah does in the Shiia communities, and secular Sunni and Christian ones, with the main difference being that in addition to military, medical and basic charity trade, Al Qaeda is also involved in drug trafficking which means they are much more likely to be fried to the gills, and hence, think they are invincible or that blowing up a school is a good idea.

But that said, it's only a network. Its structure is nothing new or unknown, and it's not strictly speaking our enemy or a terrorist organization. (Given Bin Laden, it's barely an organization ;))

The main point being that some of the customers will be Mujahideen organizations. Mujahideen if I'm not mistaken means "warrior" and every muslim country has one. They are not alike, but they are the real militants. Right now, the US supports many Mujahideen, and by extension, those connections that it has through the Al Qaeda network. Particularly, we do this in the Sudan, Chad, Kosovo, Bosnia and Afghanistan. In Pakistan, and Somalia, we oppose them, and in Iraq and India, we're accused of underhandedly supporting them to create chaos, but we officially oppose them.

The whole situation is more complex than the outspoken counter-terrorist crowd says. Either this is because they are deceptive as I suggested, and want people to think in simple terms of good and evil, or they are really just that dumb, and are in fact delusional.

And, yes, I'm just posting this as a counterpoint, there's plenty of good stuff to read out there on the topic, even coming from our govt. and media, I'm not here to debate the issue with the proponents of the GWOT. IMHO, that's a front for old cold war shenanigans.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, January 9, 2009 5:31 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Republicans for killing Jews!!!!

Well, given what passes for humor in your world...

Or were you not joking about this?

Not really. Isn't it obvious yet that I equate support for Hamas with killing Jews. The two are synonymous, as far as I'm concerned, whether you realize it or not, that is what Hamas stands for.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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