CNN: Israel tries to assassinate Cynthia McKinney
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Iran and Pakistan aren’t Arab, and neither were directly involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Most Muslim nations side with the Arab nations on this issue for political, national and religious solidarity, but you’re right, they aren’t necessarily preoccupied with it.
Thanks for the backup. I think the words arab and muslim get thrown around interchangeably a lot.
Less than 15% of the world's over one billion muslims are arabs. Arabs often make the attack of calling Americans "Jews" which is even less accurate.
Arabs and Jews have a long standing animosity towards one another, biblical you could say, and this was an issue in Roman Times, the Middle ages, and Modern times, unlike most conflicts, in a truly unceasing manner.
But they're not alone. There are groups in africa who have been fighting even longer.
But the best policy for US, IMHO, is to do some damage control and see that this conflict does not affect the rest of the world, including ourselves. There can be no doubt that arab attacks against americans are connected to our support for Israel.
Gaza is a tiny strip of land with a lot of people on it. Its of no military value to us, or really to Israel.
I think a lot of this bad policy is like a teenager with their parent's credit card. They just go on a spending spree because it's not their money. Israel has nothing to stop them, because of the US, just as our govt. has nothing to stop it spending money because it's not their money, it's ours.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It’s always the same story with you, Dreamtrove. Everytime a situation arises in Israel, it’s almost always, Hamas or Hezbollah or Fatah violating a ceasefire to kill Jews, and everytime, you insist it’s all Israeli fault who are killing the peaceful and innocent Palestinian terrorists. Basically, your position is it’s okay for Palestinians to kill Jews, but the Jews are wrong if they defend themselves, which means you want to see Jews killed. That’s the only logical way to explain the bias in your argument.
His anti-semitism does not seem to cover the entirety of his bias - he seems to also think it's OK for Al-Queda (a strictly Islamic-based organization) to attack New York and Washington, DC, but not for the U.S. to pursue the Reynolds Doctrine and kill 'em right back, nor preempt future attacks by killing them at home. Unless he considers All Americans to be Jews and included in his Kill-the-Jews bias.
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Quote:I don’t think it’s as much anti-Semititism as it is an unhealthy sympathy for some romanticized depiction of the lone Islamic warrior. In much the same way that the Mafia or gangster lifestyle is romanticized in popular culture. The “good” vampire thing that is often portrayed in popular literature is the same kind of phenomenon. The difference is that most people realize that these are fictional archetypes. Dreamtrove doesn’t. That’s why he’s unable to see Hamas as having any culpability for actions. In his mind, Hamas is a noble band of freedom fighters. And to a certain extent he applies that same view of Al Qaeda and Hezbollah. I’ve tried to argue that this romantic view of his that aparts no blame to Islamic terrorists basically amounts to leaving the Jews to die. I don’t think he hates Jews or wants to see Jews die. I just think that he’s unable to separate his romantic view of these terrorists from reality.
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
His anti-semitism does not seem to cover the entirety of his bias - he seems to also think it's OK for Al-Queda (a strictly Islamic-based organization) to attack New York and Washington, DC, but not for the U.S. to pursue the Reynolds Doctrine and kill 'em right back, nor preempt future attacks by killing them at home. Unless he considers All Americans to be Jews and included in his Kill-the-Jews bias.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
... In much the same way that the Mafia or gangster lifestyle is romanticized in popular culture. The difference is that most people realize that these are fictional archetypes. Dreamtrove doesn’t. That’s why he’s unable to see Hamas as having any culpability for actions. In his mind, Hamas is a noble band of freedom fighters.
What's NOT noble about :
Strapping suicide bombs on children?
Strapping suicide bombs on mentally ill?
Hiding weapons inside mosques?
Hiding behind women & children during firefights?
Launching 3,000 missiles into civilian areas?
Those are all very noble things right?
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I stand with the jews. I figure we owe em for being pansies during the thirties. Hell we bailed out the Limes and the French twice. Somewhere in the bible it says when the nations rise against Jerusalem God will smite her enemies. I don't wanna be on the outside when that goes down. Not a big Jesus fan but I do follow Barrabus. Kill the Romans.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Okay, This is humorous. Here's the best part. Watching Finn self-destruct.
I posted that I was pro-Israel, and pro-Israel statements probably dozens of times over the years. Finn admitted openly that he never reads my posts.
I actually laughed out loud reading his post. He missed my posts blaming Hamas for the whole incident, or where I never glamorized Hamas. Hamas is despicable. They used to kill children intentionally just to start riots. But this isn't about Hamas, and it's not about the holocaust. This is about a few things.
1. Idiocy, being displayed. "Let's all pile on and hate the guy who isn't here." This is not a good policy for life. Finn and JTF are the only people on this forum who I have on permanent ignore, I have nothing against anyone else. These two attack me relentlessly, and have nothing to say, ever.
2. More Idiocy. The most simplistic analysis of humanity ever: Good and Evil.
Finn, you're an idiot.
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Hamas is a noble band of freedom fighters.
I'd like to nominate this for the dumbest thing posted, after Finn's personal hatefest against me blamed me for the holocaust.
But you're in danger, there's a bigger idiot here:
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JTF: he considers All Americans to be Jews and included in his Kill-the-Jews bias.
JTF, don't worry, if you need a swastika, I'm sure Finn has plenty to spare. He's the one who supported Al Qaeda after all. No, I'm not making this up.
3. Even more idiocy. Stand with the jews? Do you know any jews? I know lots of jews. They don't stand with Ohlmert. Have you check Ohlmert's popularity in Israel itself? and Israel's popularity with jews internationally? 15% of jews support Israel. Ohlmert has the lowest approval rating of any elected head of state in human history: 3%. (Source: TIME Magazine) Internationally, he is the most unpopular person in the world. Even among jews. Here are some other ones. Who do the jews stand with? Barack Obama, 60%, Joe Lieberman, 34%. George W. Bush, 15%.
4. I see no sides worth standing with in this conflict. Ohlmert and Hamas are totally devoid of redeeming characteristics.
Realize that Finn doesn't even know a single jewish person. He's never been to Israel. He is in this for one thing: Money. It's his job. His budget gets increased when there is more war. War is good for business for him. I'm not making this up. If and when the pentagon has supported the Islamic terrorist Mujahideen, aka, Al Qaeda, it gets support from Finn. Scroll through past posts by Finn, he has said all of this.
I'm not getting into a quarrel with Finn, I'm have no intention speaking to him. But I have the right to defend myself if he is going to make up stuff about me.
Consider that our military intelligence is engaged in this. Maybe I should forward this to them, and then they could fire him.
I don't know whether he hates me on a personal level outside of the forum, or just because I keep reminding people of why he supports war.
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Quote:This from the person who claimed that Hamas had no culpability at all. I’m glad to see that you’ve finally come to realize that you were wrong.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I actually laughed out loud reading his post. He missed my posts blaming Hamas for the whole incident, or where I never glamorized Hamas. Hamas is despicable. They used to kill children intentionally just to start riots. But this isn't about Hamas, and it's not about the holocaust. This is about a few things.
Did dreamtrove just say that I don’t know a single Jewish Person? How does he know that? Doesn’t that seem a bit unlikely?
How does dreamtrove know that I support Al Qaeda?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:What’s noble about murder? What’s noble about rape? What’s noble about selling drugs to minors? Yet, still Innercity gangs are romanticized and glamorized by American popular culture. This is all too common mindset. It’s a naïve one, but it exists.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
... In much the same way that the Mafia or gangster lifestyle is romanticized in popular culture. The difference is that most people realize that these are fictional archetypes. Dreamtrove doesn’t. That’s why he’s unable to see Hamas as having any culpability for actions. In his mind, Hamas is a noble band of freedom fighters.
What's NOT noble about :
Strapping suicide bombs on children?
Strapping suicide bombs on mentally ill?
Hiding weapons inside mosques?
Hiding behind women & children during firefights?
Launching 3,000 missiles into civilian areas?
Those are all very noble things right?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Sorry Finn,
I've been intensely irritated at you recently.
Here are a number of reasons.
1. Your offensive holocaust remark which you deleted, but not before I had responded to it, and
2. You then accused me of pulling the holocaust card, which I said ahead of time that I wasn't doing. The reality is I have much more at stake in Israel and in not having a holocaust on either side than you do, so
3. Your sanctimonious attitude about it all. You're part of the war machine. I don't have anything against that directly, except that you promote yourself as a savior. It's annoying...
4. I put it to you to say that you even knew a jew nine times, and just concluded that you didn't.
5. Your relentless third person attack against me on another thread, in my absence, which I only stumbled upon randomly, because it came up on top.
6. I reversed my position on this and said I was wrong maybe 100 posts ago, and you read that post, and attacked me for it, and I've held the position since then.
7. You supported the US supporting the mujahideen aka, the militants which use the al qaeda network, the terrorist end of al qaeda, in kosovo/bosnia earlier. Since you are in military intelligence you know that we are working with al qaeda and co in Afghanistan. If you don't know that, and consider that I'm not guessing here, then that is very sad for the US.
Overall, it was wrong of me to insult you, but the weakness of your information worries me. You seem far more educated than myself, and this makes me think our nation is in peril.
Here's our real disagreement. I universally oppose wars of aggression, and assimilation in general, and you support them. There is little common ground between us on this issue. The defender here is Gaza, but Hamas is an ass. I didn't think they provoked it, but I did some digging, and changed my mind. I also found that virtually no one in palestine or israel wants this war. Even George W. Bush has said it has to stop. My current theory is that remote arab provocateurs like the Saudis are behind palestinian terrorism, and control Hamas. Remember this, like everything, has to follow a logical progression. It's illogical to assume that anyone who sees themselves as an end target, including Iran, would provoke such a war. The war's advantage from Ohlmert's position is obvious: It's he only thing keeping him in power. Ohlmert is not only out on his ear, he's headed for jail. He's universally hated in Israel, and elsewhere. His actions have caused a huge spike in anti-semitism. 5 years ago, European feeling towards jews was fairly positive, now it's strongly negative. If anyone is perpetuating this situation, it's Ohlmert. He apparently has no backing from either the outgoing or incoming US president, or from anyone at the UN.
Initially, we seemed to be of a very similar bent, you posted something to that effect a couple of years ago. But that was because the topics were different, mostly political.
I think on issues of the political spectrum, human nature, and what makes good sci-fi, we are likely to agree. On issues of war, we're likely to disagree. Maybe we should play a wargame at some point. I'm curious. I suspect we come across to each other about the same, ignorant and obnoxious. I suspect the reality is that we just think very differently. Personally, I think this was a moronic move for Israel, but an act of desparation by Ohlmert, and manipulative stupidity by Hamas, trying to provoke Ohlment into doing something desperate and moronic, which means somewhere is someone who is playing everyone else, and that person is pretty clever, and doesn't give a damn about human life.
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The Mideast’s Ground Zero
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/opinion/07friedman.html?ref=opinion
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