Hey, we want to be part of the hate!
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 02:14
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Read through the posts and find people spouting against the racial inferiors, genetic, religious, their own special monkey people in need of extermination.
That would be bad if it really happened, but it didn't except in your own personal delusion. One off color remark and all of a sudden everyone that disagrees with you is a fascist. You're the one that seems to know every racist epithet known to man and repeats them ad nauseum, attributing them to imaginary posts that don't exist except in your own fucked up brain. Most of the posters here have never used the hatefull language you attribute to them in all the time I've been here, but since you've been here it turns up in the majority of your posts. You won't have to worry about me responding to your hate filled posts any longer, it's pointless to argue with someone that is incapable of seeing reality. And yes, there is only one reality jackass.
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Ah Kirkules, so kind of you to join us, I knew someone would want to be part of the hate.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I have quit posting, hell I have quit reading most of the threads for the same reason.
Yeah. I'm kinda with ya there. I suppose part of it has to do with being busy with other things, and just general boredom with the same tired cheerleading, but it also seems that there used to be more of an "Independent/Browncoat" spirit in our midst. It'd be nice to get back to that.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:No one suggested exterminating anyone, and no one said anything bad about any holocaust victims, unless you include your parading their suffering and death out as a desperate plea to emotionalism. It’s offensive the way you use the Holocaust as a cheap stunt to trump reasoned debate. As far as extermination, you’re the one who refuses to apart any blame to a terrorist organization targeting Israeli civilians. A terrorist organization that has vowed, in their own words, to take over all of Palestine aggressively:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I know there are good people here, but the Israel thread has really brought it out. Check out the actual nazi forums and see how tame they are in their animosity compared to what's posted here. I was genuinely offended by the suggestion that because I don't want to see another race get exterminated that this makes pro-holocaust, esp. as the descendent of holocaust suvivors, or more to the point, non-survivors.
“There is no solution for the Palestine question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. Palestine is an Islamic land.” -- The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)
Here’s another quote from one your buddies:
“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Here’s another quote from one your buddies:
“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Except that he didn't say it.
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To quote Ahmadinejad's exact words in Farsi:
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel."
The Proof:
The full quote translated directly to English:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
So if I were to say that the Bush Regime will vanish from the page of time, would that be the same as saying that Bush must be wiped off the map?
I didn't think so.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Quote:Yes, he did say it. There have been many attempts by people sympathetic to Iran to whitewash his statement by parsing the translation. But in the end, even the most generous translation clearly enunciates the idea of eliminating Israel as a state, or wiping Israel off the map. It is an accurate translation.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Except that he didn't say it.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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you're right, I way simplified 911's influence. Prejudice is something that's always been with us, obviously. Maybe America more than alot of european nations(not positive on this though), but 911 certainly stirred up those latent phobias.
I did watch the siege...AND I was going to write a story very similar to it, until it came out and stole my thunder.
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and finn,
just gotto ask cuz you've made me curious,
what is the basis for you saying that even the most generous translation says what you say it does?
Do you yourself have the ability to translate the words, or have you read from numerous sources and translations(maybe even some sources that don't have a mainstream bias) that informs your statement?
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Scuse me while I laugh at the moron-monkey for believing a MEMRI translation.
ha. ha. ha.
The very definition of gullibility is not believing facts which conflict with your worldview, while chug-a-lugging whatever wacky kool-aid does regardless of it's validity.
The wonderful edge of folks like that around here is that by their actions, and their idiocy, it allows easy discrediting of their entire position and anyone who holds it, if I didn't know better I'd say they were strawman carriers workin for the other side - but alas, they actually believe this shit, or believe in the agenda behind it, which'd be hi-larious if it weren't so pathetic.
So, let em pratfall all they want, there's no better way to wreck their agendas than to toss out banana peels you KNOW they're gonna step right on cause they're too blind to do anything else.
Seriously, it's almost TOO easy.
Oh, and DT ?
No, and you know why, sorry.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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My apologies. Kwicko didn’t even cite his comments. Let me provide the link for you.
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The inflammatory "wiped off the map" quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NOR200
70120&articleId=4527
According to this site, which as I said has Muslim sympathies, the translation was inaccurate, but it was the translation of the government sponsored Newspaper of Iran. And I’m pretty sure that the official propaganda machine of the Iranian government has a better grasp on what the espoused positions of the Iranian government are then the people at Global Research do. So it’s a little haughty for them to claim that their translation is superior, but that’s just a display of their bias. And in the end, the CGR arrived at a translation that while nuanced to be somewhat muted by Western standards, still conveyed the clear idea of the elimination of Israel as a state.
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