Hey, we want to be part of the hate!
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 02:14
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Fascism is running high on the board. I probably should have left earlier. I hate to leave on a sour note, but this has become a hate site. 
Read through the posts and find people spouting against the racial inferiors, genetic, religious, their own special monkey people in need of extermination.
I know there are good people here, but the Israel thread has really brought it out. Check out the actual nazi forums and see how tame they are in their animosity compared to what's posted here. I was genuinely offended by the suggestion that because I don't want to see another race get exterminated that this makes pro-holocaust, esp. as the descendent of holocaust suvivors, or more to the point, non-survivors. 
The feeling from the neocons on the board towards muslims is beyond racist. It's genocidal. 
I was also disappointed once more, over the pile on effect. Once one person had p*ssed on the graves of my ancestors and relatives, a whole lot of other people seemed to jump on board. So I repost things by jews I know and am told that this too is "Nazi" stuff. Nevermind that jews seem genuinely concerned not for themselves, that Israel is bad PR for the jewish community, or the Iraq war is bad PR for americans, but for the actual plight of the Palestinian people and the Iraqi people.
Earlier, I got into a disagreement on the second amendment. I said it didn't support lone reaver's rights to shoot people. I later conceded the point, which makes me worried about the implications, but when one person insulted me, suddenly there was a huge pile on. 
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Fascism is running high on the board. I probably should have left earlier. I hate to leave on a sour note, but this has become a hate site.
Read through the posts and find people spouting against the racial inferiors, genetic, religious, their own special monkey people in need of extermination.
I know there are good people here, but the Israel thread has really brought it out. Check out the actual nazi forums and see how tame they are in their animosity compared to what's posted here. I was genuinely offended by the suggestion that because I don't want to see another race get exterminated that this makes pro-holocaust, esp. as the descendent of holocaust suvivors, or more to the point, non-survivors.
The feeling from the neocons on the board towards muslims is beyond racist. It's genocidal.
I was also disappointed once more, over the pile on effect. Once one person had p*ssed on the graves of my ancestors and relatives, a whole lot of other people seemed to jump on board. So I repost things by jews I know and am told that this too is "Nazi" stuff. Nevermind that jews seem genuinely concerned not for themselves, that Israel is bad PR for the jewish community, or the Iraq war is bad PR for americans, but for the actual plight of the Palestinian people and the Iraqi people.
Earlier, I got into a disagreement on the second amendment. I said it didn't support lone reaver's rights to shoot people. I later conceded the point, which makes me worried about the implications, but when one person insulted me, suddenly there was a huge pile on.
Questions? Comments?
I have quit posting, hell I have quit reading most of the threads for the same reason.
Lets party like its 1939
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Maybe the level-headed to regroup elsewhere. Anyone agree with sentiment, PM me.
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I started reading that thread and then stopped when I stumbled over the term "diaper head".
Why do people do this and not feel like idiots?
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I think the slurs are the only way they know how to express themselves on these subjects. But maybe I shouldn't put words in people's mouths. <_< It could be the arguments just bring out the ugly, I've seen that happen too.
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It's ignorance.
You can browbeat people who are ignorant of universal humanity, you can shout them down, you can pick up and take your toys and ideas elsewhere,
but none of those things will educate, or will help to wear away that misunderstanding. True, there are those disintersted in bothering, there are those who don't want to see the world differently and are unwilling to,
but this is a pretty good board with a "fairly" civil tone, considering how dynamic the views are of the people who post here,
and it gets new readers on the occasion,and on a very rare occasion it gets some of its posters to give some ground.
Maddeningly, as soon as a new post opens they are somehow posting the same nonsense they already grudgingly disavowed, but it's something.
the site keeps me open-minded. It keeps me aware and wary of the rhetoric that comes from people I agree with. I think twice, maybe three times before posting some ideas because suddenly I'm aware that they don't hold as much water as they seemed to when I was just feeling them. In that way I think it keeps me more intelectually honest.
I can only hope it does the same for many of the people I don't agree with.
but back to racism---- People are dogmatic. America became pretty prejudice after 911, because it was scary, because it was large in scale, because it was people from a foreign land that did it. So...heh, people clung to their guns and religion. They chose a boogie man, and saw a crusade of good versus evil. Exterminating evil, according to this model, is of course good.
That mentality is too wide spread to just pick out bad apples. Its more of a phenomenon or a culture. It has certainly faded over the years, but I don't think the solution is to disassociate. I think the solution is to continue to be a part of their discussions, to continue to poke holes in the veil they have let be placed upon their heads,
and more cheezy metaphors...
There are people who don't already have a hardened mind on the world, some of which probably read this board. So you continue to discuss issues with those you disagree with for them.
Sure, if every post turns into an insult fest we have a problem where no information is being discussed, but I don't see that to be the case most of the time.
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I started reading that thread and then stopped when I stumbled over the term "diaper head".
Why do people do this and not feel like idiots?
Thank your various Gods for the Silent Majority
Okay, I will grant that the fault was mine for not doing the same. I tried to argue sense into these people. It went into high flame when *someone* started belittling the holocaust, in which my father's entire extended family was killed. As I posted, it's very difficult to offend me, not impossible.
Curiously, some of these people can be made to see reason, but only for brief periods. I know that some people have mental issues, it didn't occur to me that those employed by our military did, but it would explain a lot.
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It's ignorance ... but this is a pretty good board ... considering how dynamic the views are
Actually, it would be easy to make a troll list. I've posted on this board for years, and I think that regardless of politics, certain people could be booted.
If it were my board, I would make this temporary. Not booted for a position, but booted for lack of civility. Then they could be allowed to return, if they chose, and be booted again. Like being voted off the island. I never liked the IRC system, even as an op, because I thought it was a dictatorship. I think the majority should find someone out of line, and they should be forbidden to post for a while.
Another issue is over-posters. Certain Users post 3 threads a day. That clogs things up.
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the site keeps me open-minded. It keeps me aware and wary of the rhetoric that comes from people I agree with. I think twice, maybe three times before posting some ideas because suddenly I'm aware that they don't hold as much water as they seemed to when I was just feeling them. In that way I think it keeps me more intelectually honest.
This is a thought. A lot of people have said I make them think, particularly I got that from the left. Taoism is pretty conservative, I guess religions are, but it's not completely in line with say "christian conservatism" though there are many points in common. My own conduct is out of line with my faith at times because I'm a flawed human and I get emotionally outraged, or decide to engage some debate that is fruitlless.
I can only hope it does the same for many of the people I don't agree with.
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America became pretty prejudice after 911
I'm not sure I buy this. It fed the feeling, but if you haven't yet, watch the 1997 film "the seige" with denzel washington and tony shalhoub. the movie is downright precient. But it speaks to the growing anti-islamic racism and the connected real fear of islamic terrorism. I personally think that 9-11 was in part an inside job, I have no idea if there were any muslims involved, but certainly there has been islamic terrorism. The most credible islamic terrorism has been against Israel and ironically, Iran, but there's a fair amount in Africa. Russia, like the US, I am suspicious of, as I am of the UK, that some of these events are staged. Now maybe the only staging is someone sees an islamic terrorist plot and decides to let it happen, but some of the stories, in depth, are completely implausible. Internal to the Islamic world, there's a lot of terrorism, I count Iran out as being a different religion, but Afghan-on-afghan terrorism has been an issue for a while, though often with russian or american support.
But, for a reference point, it's been 20 years since the Cure song "Killing an Arab." It's not new.
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So...heh, people clung to their guns and religion. They chose a boogie man, and saw a crusade of good versus evil. Exterminating evil, according to this model, is of course good.
Yes, this is the most simple model of human manipulation, and one of the big ones that Tao warns you about. If you can define something as good or evil, you can define the other by contrast. It is of course, a false dichotomy, which is the point. Our partisan political system is based on it.
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That mentality is too wide spread to just pick out bad apples. Its more of a phenomenon or a culture.
There are certain members, not just the one I'm angry at at the moment, but certain members who are constitantly drummers for the cause of panic and hatred. I suppose these people are always there. But temporary suspension would work to remove the behavior from everyone else.
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I think the solution is to continue to be a part of their discussions, to continue to poke holes in the veil they have let be placed upon their heads,
I don't think that the moles will ever see reason. They're there for propaganda purposes. As are some of the people I think of as basically good guys who have a couple of bad ideas.
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Ah, but that's the crown jewels, DT.
They don't even seem to realize that they are in essence, giving you a guided tour (albeit a damn short one!) of the insides of their head, and even conveniently labelling all the gears, buttons and levers for you.
To know what makes them tick is key to manipulating them, and both myself and Piratenews occasionally play on that by yanking their chains to watch them foam at the mouth on "command" for amusement value.
You know they're self-destructive, and here they are handing you the means and ability to encourage it if not fully bring it about, of their own free will, and yet in your own hurt you don't see the potential that is being offered.
Don't take injury, don't hate back, USE what you're learning about them, against them.
Dude, you're never gonna make evil overlordship at this rate... 
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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I see your point, but I don't think they're mindless automatons of a sector to manipulate, I think they are propagandists of the MIC.
Oh, and I won't turn into a giant snake. It never helps.
BTW, email me, off forum, at gmail. There are some things I want to discuss but not on the forum. Items of mutual interest. I've been discussing off forum with John for some time, and also Barb, and occasionally Kathy. There are things not to be posted.
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