CNN: Israel tries to assassinate Cynthia McKinney

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DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 1, 2009 1:42 AM

Chris, I think I sense a disturbance in the force:
Frem is on board with the plan.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 1, 2009 9:26 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
France, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt are allies.
We need better allies.

No argument there.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 1, 2009 9:33 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Finn: Obviously, everyone in the world would aid Palestine because Palestine is desperate for an ally, and every power wants a desperate ally, because they'll let you do anything, such as set up a military base. This is why despots always have China, Russia or the US backing them up.

But this still doesn't make your argument work. The money and weaponry Israel has by itself without US aid already vastly exceeds that of Palestine and all that it gets from its friends.

Actually it does. My argument works just fine, whether you want to wipe out Israel or not. It’s you’re argument that doesn’t work. If you’re going to let them fight it out, then let them fight it out. You can’t claim to let them fight it out, while you’re supporting one side with aid. Logically, the two are mutually exclusive.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, January 1, 2009 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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And you must stop France, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and a host of other nations from sending aid, much of which goes directly to the Palestinians to be used for military efforts.

Why do all those countries hate America so?

Because they are Muslim, and we are not. Muslims have been told they are the chosen children of God, yet they can see they are a century or more behind us - so it must be due to cheating by us as well as the Jews. Except Russia and France. France lost it's spine between WWI and WWII, and Russia is ticked that after Reagan gave them a chance at freedom, Clinton let them down and ignored them, allowing their current government situation to arise.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 1, 2009 3:16 PM

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FINN

Actually it does. My argument works just fine, whether you want to wipe out Israel or not. It’s you’re argument that doesn’t work. If you’re going to let them fight it out, then let them fight it out. You can’t claim to let them fight it out, while you’re supporting one side with aid. Logically, the two are mutually exclusive.

If you want Israel to be free from muslim attacks, then Israel would have to stop laying claim to additional muslim territory. Gaza is solidly muslim and has been for far longer than any human or govt. in the region has existed.

Whether or not you perceive muslim attacks as equivalent or as counter-attacks, or simply as unprovoked assaults, you have to see that they're not illogical. Someone is coming and taking their land, and they're defending it, just as we would.

If, instead, the US were to suspend aid to Israel, the Israeli govt. would quickly realize that it wants the aid far more than it wants Gaza, and would offer a ceasefire, which the muslims would certainly accept, because they don't want to lose their land, they are losing, and Hamas has already repeatedly offered one.

True, there would still be attacks, probably from both sides, but with the backing of neither govt., these attacks could simply be called crimes, and dealt with accordingly.

Ergo, it's best for Israel that we suspend aid for its own sake, so that a Nation perfectly capable of defending itself will reconsider its own actions.

Consider a completely different, but analogous welfare situation. Here in NY there was a proposal that welfare be suspended from people on drug charges, by folks not interested in supporting the drug dealers with taxpayer money. The measure didn't pass, and so the druggies continue to spend their money in an unwise way, taking the state assistance for granted, and doing as they please without considering any reprocussions. If aid were to disappear, the first thing that would happen is they wouldn't be able to buy more drugs. Then, say, after a grace period, or a rehabilitation program, they were then eligible for welfare. Now, some might have learned better, but more would be reluctant to spend the money on drugs because then the money might go away again.

As long as Israel remains a welfare case, it doesn't need to consider any repercussions to any of its actions, and so the most zealous govt. possible will continue to get elect, and act in this manner. In the long run, from a conservative perspective, it is better for everyoen not to be a welfare case.

If Israel should decide to forgo the aid and continue the war, it will need to go through the same procedures as everyone else. They'll have to point out the specific target groups, the mujahideen or whoever, which are committing acts against Israel, and try to work with Hamas to deal with them, and failing that, send guys in to deal with it themselves, on their own dime. But carpet bombing civilian populations is never going to gain popular support anywhere, not even here.

From your own perspective, I would assume to be that as a member of the military intelligence if I recall, you have no vested interest in Israel or Judaism, but in Israel as a military colony in the middle east. To that end, it is of no use to us if it is in a state of conflict, as it was no use to us in the Iraq war. You would probably want to reinstate the aid after Israel after they had calmed down, and then if they started invading Palestine again, cut off aid, keep them on the short leash. The size of Israel is not important to the US in terms of its usefulness, it's the ability to use it at all, which we can't do if it's in a constant state of war.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 1, 2009 3:21 PM

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Because they are Muslim, and we are not. Muslims have been told they are the chosen children of God, yet they can see they are a century or more behind us - so it must be due to cheating by us as well as the Jews. Except Russia and France. France lost it's spine between WWI and WWII, and Russia is ticked that after Reagan gave them a chance at freedom, Clinton let them down and ignored them, allowing their current government situation to arise.

Oh, where does one even start. Muslims are apparently a single small child with only one opinion, which is to hate. But I'd rather go over to

"France had a spine?" I missed this part of history.

Next, So, Russia only became antagonistic to the US after Glasnost? (Reagan wasn't president when the Berlin wall came down.) So I guess that whole cold war thing was just because they were too cold to go to war.

Oh why bother.

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, January 1, 2009 5:07 PM

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Originally posted by piratenews:

Cynthia McKinney on CNN discussing Israel trying to sink her and USS Liberty

McKinney and CNN journo rammed 3 times by Israeli navy

The Real Black Candidate Who's Actually A US Citizen TM
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/12/cnn-israel-tries-to-assassin
ate-cynthia.html

“So while our focus obviously is on Gaza right now, this could turn out to be a much larger conflict. We’re looking at potentially a multi-front war here. I don’t think there’s anything at this point standing between Iran and nuclear weapons other than the possibility of the use of military force possibly by the United States, possibly by Israel,” added the former ambassador, suggesting that a strike on Iran’s facilities by Israel alone would be risky but could push Iran back by three or four years."
-NeoCon John Bolton US ambassador to UN Corp

Let US review the evidentiary record:

To Provoke War, Cheney Considered Proposal To Dress Up Navy Seals As Iranians And Shoot At Them
www.thinkprogress.org/2008/07/31/cheney-proposal-for-iran-war/

Israel founded Hamas
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm

Or the rockets were fired by the Israli military inside of Israel:
www.kawther.info/wpr/2008/12/25/the-rockets-of-hunger-and-israel-propa
ganda

VIDEO: Loss of Liberty - Israel attacks US Navy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7267134620652018859

VIDEO: Dead In The Water - The Sinking of the USS Liberty by Israel
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311

Jewish Operation Northwoods false-flag terror attacks in USA perped by Pentagon and CIA
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

Israel Jews massacre 1,000s of Israeli citizens in Gaza death camp 2008
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gaza&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:31 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
If you want Israel to be free from muslim attacks, then Israel would have to stop laying claim to additional muslim territory. Gaza is solidly muslim and has been for far longer than any human or govt. in the region has existed.

What is Muslim territory? What you decide it is? What Hamas decides it is? That argument amount to Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. The only way to stop Arab attacks on Israelis is to 1) exterminate Israelis (the Hamas solution) or 2) assert political control and develop the Palestinian territories (the Israeli solution). Unfortunately, what happens is that if Israel attempts to do this, they are ordered to remove themselves from Palestinian territories, thereby leaving the job undone, and often in worse conditions. So, I agree with Chris and Geezer that the only real solution is to leave the Israelis to sort it out, which is a long-term solution, but the only viable one. However, you have to do something about all the aid that goes to Palestinian terrorists because that will serve to do nothing but exacerbate, and prolong the conflict.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 1, 2009 9:48 PM

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What is Muslim territory? What you decide it is? What Hamas decides it is?

Nope, that would be where muslims live. It helps when there's an internationally recognized boundary, and a govt. in this case, a democratically elected one.

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So, I agree with Chris and Geezer that the only real solution is to leave the Israelis to sort it out

Ah, there is a disturbance in the force. Now we're only waiting on Auraptor

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 1, 2009 9:58 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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What is Muslim territory? What you decide it is? What Hamas decides it is?
Nope, that would be where muslims live. It helps when there's an internationally recognized boundary, and a govt. in this case, a democratically elected one.

Muslims live in the US.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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