Obama golfs while Gaza burns
POSTED BY: whozit
UPDATED: Sunday, January 4, 2009 16:40
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Israel was established in 1948 through the help of Britain after the country Israel was partitioned half into Israel and Jordan which was 1/2 of the old Palestine. The arab-Israeli Wars caused the arab population to regain the territory of the West Bank and Gaza. The UN mandated the the new territory as arab territory.
Interesting that today 50% of the population in Jordan is made up of Palestinians from the old palestine. The old Palestine was made up of Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
I also went looking to find out when the Jews moved to Israel and I found this.
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Why did the Jews move to Israel? Short answer: because they had been persecuted just about everywhere else they went. Slightly longer answer: because at the end of WW2, they were looking for a place to set up a Jewish State where people who hated them would leave them alone, and at the time, nobody wanted the land that is now Israel, so the Jews moved in. As soon as the Jews moved in, the other residents of the middle east decided that they would destroy every settler of Israel, and haven't given up since. Their problem was, the Jews didn't particularly want to be destroyed, and they have defended themselves, quite admirably I might add.
Additional point
In November 1917 the British government had promised to set up a 'Jewish National Home' in Palestine, which at the time was a part of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. This then happened. (Balfour Declaration, 1917). The promise was controversial at the time. Obviously, in 1917 nobody expected the Holocaust or expected large numbers of Jews to have to flee there. For some Jews, returning there ('Zionism') was a long-standing dream or hope, and there were already a number of Jewish settlements in the area.
this writer is obviously jewish .
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Quote:Try "Exodus", the ship, not the gay stuff.
Originally posted by mazaen:
Israel was established in 1948 through the help of Britain after the country Israel was partitioned half into Israel and Jordan which was 1/2 of the old Palestine. The arab-Israeli Wars caused the arab population to regain the territory of the West Bank and Gaza. The UN mandated the the new territory as arab territory.
Interesting that today 50% of the population in Jordan is made up of Palestinians from the old palestine. The old Palestine was made up of Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
I also went looking to find out when the Jews moved to Israel and I found this.Quote:
Why did the Jews move to Israel? Short answer: because they had been persecuted just about everywhere else they went. Slightly longer answer: because at the end of WW2, they were looking for a place to set up a Jewish State where people who hated them would leave them alone, and at the time, nobody wanted the land that is now Israel, so the Jews moved in. As soon as the Jews moved in, the other residents of the middle east decided that they would destroy every settler of Israel, and haven't given up since. Their problem was, the Jews didn't particularly want to be destroyed, and they have defended themselves, quite admirably I might add.
Additional point
In November 1917 the British government had promised to set up a 'Jewish National Home' in Palestine, which at the time was a part of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. This then happened. (Balfour Declaration, 1917). The promise was controversial at the time. Obviously, in 1917 nobody expected the Holocaust or expected large numbers of Jews to have to flee there. For some Jews, returning there ('Zionism') was a long-standing dream or hope, and there were already a number of Jewish settlements in the area.
this writer is obviously jewish .
No bagel
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6 year old throw tantrum about not going to the sandpit, eventually the british succumb to the tantrum and the 6 year olds go to the sandpit. The 6 year olds push some other people out of the sandpit. Then the people who got pushed out of the sandpit get back into the sandpit they have to now share the sandpit. I hope that they can learn to share the buckets and rakes because that sandpit is now owned by 2 groups of 6 year olds. They should implement a program on all 6 year old children in Israel and the West Bank called Learning to share.
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Quote:The Palestines are like cockroches! Were ever they go they spread disease, the Arabs do'nt want them, so they're trying to stick them in Gaza!
Originally posted by mazaen:
6 year old throw tantrum about not going to the sandpit, eventually the british succumb to the tantrum and the 6 year olds go to the sandpit. The 6 year olds push some other people out of the sandpit. Then the people who got pushed out of the sandpit get back into the sandpit they have to now share the sandpit. I hope that they can learn to share the buckets and rakes because that sandpit is now owned by 2 groups of 6 year olds. They should implement a program on all 6 year old children in Israel and the West Bank called Learning to share.
No Bagel
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Sandpit Rule
1 Sand must stay within the sand pit
2 All toys returned to the basket at the end of the
session.
3 Any digging activities must be sensible i.e. no thrown or blown sand!
http://teatodtoad.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f9cc57588330105364a6a39970c-pi
It is much funner with 2 children in the sandpit anyway. The sandpit isn't the problem.
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As much as I loathe to enter into a discussion on this level, which is very much a sandpit level, the data is so bad that I have to create it before it becomes a computer virus.
1. A jewish colony was set up as Israel after the annexation in 1919 of Palestine by the Empire. DLG was widely criticized for caving to pressure from jewish groups, and considered to have done so because of their banking power. The unnecessary diversion weakened the Empires regional and global grip. That's history.
2. Everyone expected the holocaust, including the jews. It was almost inevitable after WWI, because of the degree to which jewish bankers were blamed for aiding both sides. It wasn't Germany and a radical socialist govt. alone, the soviets began killing jews in the 20s. Hence, the reason for a Jewish homeland. This is why I support the idea
3. Presently, I support everyone's right to survival and self determination, but no one's right to go kill everyone else. Gaza was not a part of historical Israel, or present Israel, it's a sovereign foreign nation. Godspeed to anyone who defends them. They take themselves into great peril to save another, they're heroes.
To anyone with the dimwitted notion that some group gets to be the perpetual victim, I say what about 30 million Europeans who died because of the manipulations of the Gnomes of Zurich in WWI, and another 20-30 million who died as a result of the war. How about mass exterminations in Ireland, these get forgotten, even though they continued well into the 19th century. What about Armenia, the Ukraine? Everyone is the victim sometimes.
Serbs were the victims of a massive genocide in WWII, by Nazis as part of the holocaust. Not only did we feel we owed them no restitution, by the 1990s we were intentionally targeting their civilian populations. Why? Because the Serb govt. was behaving badly. So the Israeli govt. can go screw itself. Then, maybe its people will see that this sh*t will not be tolerated by the international community, and they will choose a new govt. given that they have the power to do so. If they don't, they can overthrow it. If they can't do that, I suggest the US lend a hand. Looks to me like time for a little regime change.
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Quote:If we can achieve THIS HERE, why can't we have peace on Earth???
Originally posted by whozit:
No Bagel
The Now-Whozit-accepting Chrisisall
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No Bagel!
Ah, and Whozit responding to what other people posted and not simply posting new random non-sequiter threads.
Whozit, welcome to the discussion. Anything is possible. Just saw me chris, geezer and frem sign onto a position.
I think it's going to be a good year.
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The religious lunatics are bombing each other, nothing new there. But since he is not President it is not his job to comment, its Bush.
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As much as I loathe to enter into a discussion on this level, which is very much a sandpit level
Ah but when you simplify things things you often find good ways to solve a problem. No one person has all the answers.
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