Jayne's Love Interests
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That's interesting. I never really looked at Jayne as one who took love or romance seriously at all, I've always seen him as the sort of naive one when it came to that topic. But you've raised lots of interesting points.
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Originally posted by JaynesMane:
That's interesting. I never really looked at Jayne as one who took love or romance seriously at all, I've always seen him as the sort of naive one when it came to that topic. But you've raised lots of interesting points.
Oh, I think he's naive on the topic too, but I think he's interested in learning. I'm sure he doesn't go out looking for love for anything, but if it smacked him in the fact, I think eventually he'd accept it.
Jayne's a loner and it's easier for him to NOT get too involved with anyone. But he doesn't treat women poorly. He respects Zoe when she's in charge...he might think HE should be in charge, but he still respects her. He treats Kaylee with kid gloves (sometimes not thinking as men in Joss's universes sometimes do and sayin the wrong thing) and he's never out right disrespected Inara either. And with River, well, Jayne has complex feelings because on one hand, she's a danger to him and to his "career". I think if we'd seen the series continued, we would have seen a softer side of Jayne towards her.
*sigh*
~**~
"How come you're flying about with us brigands? I mean, shouldn't you be off bringing religiosity to the Fuzzie-Wuzzies or some such?"~Cap'n Mal
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I think if we'd seen the series continued, we would have seen a softer side of Jayne towards her.
I totally and completly agree with this. I love the idea of him getting all soft around River.
Jayne may look and make crude comments, but he never touches an unwilling woman. In Jaynestown after saying that he'll pinch Zoe, he walks around her and doesn't even try to touch her. He never comes in contact with Inara and he only touches any of the women when they initiate the contact.
I think he's very respectful deep down in that dark heart of his...I just love looking at his arms...sigh
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Originally posted by Elksworthy:
I was really surprised at the amount of fiction surrounding Jayne's love interests, because he strikes me as a person who doesn't exactly require strong personal connections to thrive. If he were to get married, I don't think that it would be until age started to creep up on him.
Also, I think that Jayne's affection for Kaylee is purely platonic. And it wouldn't work out between them anyway, because she's a genuinely good person and Jayne... well, not so much.
well Jayne is one of my very favorites on the show, so of course I find any discussion (or fan fic about) his love life interesting...
I thought he was clearly jealous of Kaylee's interest in Simon in the pilot episode, not that he would do anything about it because I'm pretty sure Zoe had let him know that she could hurt him if he messed her about.... (my own imagining you understand)
Adam Baldwin said that he was imagining that Jayne had a crush on Inara when he made 'Serenity' and that actually makes a lot sense: Jayne wants to be like Mal, he wishes to have what Mal has... so it is only natural that he would want Inara!
But I definitely get a kick out of fan fic pairing Jayne w/River...
or Simon! LOL
New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816
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O.K. I'm coming late to this thread, so I had a lot to catch up on, but I'm glad I did. To avoid spending 15 paragraphs offering my own slightly different version of opinions already stated (as some of y'all know I am always in danger of doing), I'd like to raise a select few points that, somewhat surprisingly perhaps, haven't been raised yet.
1) It's cool to speculate, but without knowing anything about Jayne's father and the role he played in his up-bringing, or any other "substitute" father figure, any guesses we have about his view of monogamy and long-term relatinships is an uneducated guess at best. Though some of us like to claim we can leave all that behind, our own childhoods stamp us forever with a preconception of what a family "looks like," right or wrong. Not to say that we all follow that same path, but it has a huge influence. I'm tempted to interpret some of Jayne's interactions with Mal as Jayne seeing Mal in a fatherly light, which would tend to mean that Jayne's dad wasn't around much or at all for one reason or another, but I'm really reaching on that one.
2) When Jayne is in the Heart of Gold, he is on the stairs with two women, but we only ever see him "with" one. And it is the *same* one in at least two different scenes. There were no other customers, and no other Serenity crew taking "trade," so he could have hopped around and sampled more of what the establishment had to offer, and so I have to wonder why he didn't. No practical barrier, so it must have been something emotional, on some level. Not sure what it was, but it definitely relates to his view of women, somehow.
3) In The Message, Jayne says to Book "Life like mine don't last long, preacher." Now, looking at that in context, we know that Jayne has a mother who is in need of financial support. We can therefore fairly safely assume that his father is either unable to work or is completely out of the picture, either dead or run off. (I would guess dead or run off rather than invalid...no hard fact reason, invalid just doesn't "feel" right.) So, possibly Jayne sees a man's primary role as that of provider (certainly we have evidence that he thinks of himself as a 'protector' which is not far off in any event) and his biggest reason for not wanting to settle down isn't a lack of maturity or apathy/hostility toward monogamy, but rather a deeper respect for the institution and the knowledge that someday soon he may be too dead to keep up his end of such a commitment.
Note that none of the above necessarily makes Jayne any less hard-headed, crude, etc. than what we see in the show. Just some speculation about Jayne's deeper values. I don't think Jayne's "live fast, die young" attitude is an act or an "emotional wall," but I do think that beneath that attitude, real as it is, there is another layer of deeper convictions and relationships that we only get to see a tragically short glimpse of (with a few more hints to tantalize conversations such as this one) within the series and BDM.
"When you can't do somethin' smart, do somethin' right!" -Jayne Cobb quotes Shepherd Book
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Originally posted by Lawman:
not to talk about another series in this thread, but kirk in star trek always seemed to get the ladies. just think its interesting that Jayne gets a lot of ladies (Jaynestown & Heart of Gold) for being what he is. i still think he'd sleep with any of the women on the ship if he had an opportunity to do so. except for River, cause that's a bit downright unsettling, but then again, i could stand to hear a little more.
i'll be in my bunk
Somebody, somewhere on another thread (or site) said that a night with River would be "a combination of The best time of my life and oh my god! I'm gonna die" That and the fact she canareas his mind and he knows it my make him a bit scared of her --even before the Maidenhead incident in BDM. I might add that the fact that she's only 17 might be a factor--Jayne might want to hump any woman with teeth and legs but I'd bet he's not a pedephile. Even he's shown to have limits (Maybe a little sister she reminds him of?)
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Jayne will bed about any woman that comes his way. I remember "Heart of Gold". He settled on just one woman and treated her with respest and did not talk down to her. He does seem to stay away from any long term relations. He did offer Vera for Safron. Trading a a highpower assault rifle for a woman is not very romantic, but for Jayne it is about the best your going to get. Maybe Kaylee and River might have had time to influence Jayne in the art of wooing a female, but I hardly doubt it. Jayne seems to live for the moment. As he said his lifestyle contributes to a short life span. So live for the moment. He makes the best of it with the skills he learned in backstreets and bordellos. At least, as I said earlier, Jayne treats his women with respect and also tends to be a big brother to those who are young and gentle like Kaylee.
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All we have speculation and "uneducated guesses" because the show's not on anymore.
However, upon review of Jayne's character...what he says and what he does...one can narrow down aspects of his life, but they're all subjective.
I think his dad was someone who disrepected women, which forced Jayne to take care of his mother and family even more.
I think Jayne comes from a place where people have price tags on them. Trading a gun for Saffron seemed right to him. He wanted something so Mal should get something in return. But I don't think that negates an underlying sense of respect.
Jayne does respect women. If he didn't, he'd be slappin' asses all day long. But he doesn't. Someone said it above, he barely touches any of the women.
Whether or not Jayne wants a wife or kids or to settle down is unknown, but I have a feeling that if he ever had those inclinations, he killed them off long ago. His circumstances don't allow him those luxuries.
He's a hired gun. He'll kill for money. Not that many respectable girls looking for that kind of man. So he'll partake in prostitutes that he can be soft with but not have to worry about the tricky "falling in love" bit.
I think Jayne is complex. There are lots of depths that we'll never get Joss to explain or show.
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"How come you're flying about with us brigands? I mean, shouldn't you be off bringing religiosity to the Fuzzie-Wuzzies or some such?"~Cap'n Mal
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I got to thinking about this, and I decided to finally register so I could muse aloud about it.
I think the best way to define Jayne and his attitude towards love and women is to closely examine the canonical references and logically extrapolate from them. I am going to try to list every single relevant instance and them combine them into a whole. Feel free to add any that didn't come to my mind.
Serenity:
He makes a crude joke at Kaylee's expense at the dinner table, and adds to it when Mal comes down on him, which gets him dismissed from the dinner table.
After Kaylee is shot Jayne advances upon Dobson in a manner Book considers a murderous rage. He doesn't back down until Zoe pulls a gun on him. While Kaylee is being operated on, Jayne watches from an uncomfortable position rather than go down where everyone could see him.
He tells Dobson that River is "kinda cute" but not 'all there' however 'not all of her has to be.'
The Train Job:
He gets snappish with Simon, to whom he reveals he doesn't consider part of the crew, nor does he think that Mal considers Simon and River more than a bargaining chip. He has this discussion with Kaylee who is defending Simon and Mal's motives.
He snaps at River when she starts babbling about getting caught, and starts to say something crude to her when Simon cuts him off.
Bushwhacked:
Nothing comes to mind.
Shindig:
Says something about wanting to see Zoe in a slinky dress, then when they need a distraction suggests the best course of action is for Zoe to get 'nekkid.' This comes across to me as banter rather than meant for anything but humor value, and despite Zoe responding once that "I can hurt you" (with a smile on her face no less) I don't get the impression that she was either surprised or offended by it, she took it as a joke and responded in kind. Wash however clearly doesn't like it at all. As Jayne is actually looking at Wash when he says the bit about 'nekkid' it seems possible it was just to irritate the pilot who is always putting him down.
He doesn't seem to have any idea why Kaylee would be offended by Mal telling her she'd look silly in a dress.
Safe:
Is clearly pleased that Simon and River get left, and rifles through their stuff, though he gives it back with apparent embarrassment when they're back on the ship. That sets up River stealing a roll off Jayne's plate, which he doesn't even try to get back, but grabs another instead.
Our Mrs. Reynolds:
When Mal rejects Saffron as his wife, Jayne clearly shows interest and touches her shoulder in a gentle manner. When she begins crying he again pats her on the shoulder, rather delicately.
Later he offers to 'trade' his most prized possession for Saffron. It is revealed that he gave it a woman's name. He seems confused by Mal's insistence that you can't trade things for human beings. He tells Mal he would treat her alright and protect her. Note that when interpreting this scene I find it helpful to remember that 'Saffron' was apparently unhappy to be rejected and seemed perfectly willing to become a strange man's wife because she'd been 'traded.' If Mal didn't 'want' her it's possible Jayne may have thought he was doing her a favor by providing himself as a man who did--and would give his most cherished possession to 'have' her.
He reveals he doesn't kiss women on the mouth.
Jaynestown:
Here we see Jayne get 'sexed' for the first time, with the barmaid. She is hanging all over him the following morning, and Jayne appears to give her his coat/shirt as a souvenir.
Out of Gas:
Asks Inara if she'd reveals some "whoring" stories. Inara takes no offense and teases him instead. Mal warns her that Jayne is not to be trusted and he shouldn't be allowed to take over. Inara shows little concern.
Ariel:
Is stabbed by River, a 'deep wound,' and despite having both a gun and knife close at hand--and her still wielding the butcher's knife--he merely backhands her.
Attempts to turn River and Simon over to the Feds for a rich reward, threatens
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Jayne was amazingly tender with Helen in 'Heart of Gold' [as well as lusty!]. We didn't see much of his 'relationship' with the unnamed Mudder woman. She was probably just a quick easy lay to him, as far as I can tell.
But a sexual relationship with any of the ladies on 'Serenity'...ooh, no.
1. River - far too young, crazy and was violent towards Jayne. [Several times!!!]
2. Inara - wouldn't touch him with her little finger! Plus she's in love with Mal.
3. Zoe - even post Wash, no. It's fairly clear she tolerates Jayne at best.
4. Kaylee - well, there's her relationship with Simon to consider. Plus, I think Jayne and she are more brother/sister than anything else.
IMO, if Jayne's going to 'settle down' with one woman on a temporary, semi-permanent or permanent basis, it's got to be a new character.
Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox
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