Information Overload
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 22:45
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That's not just for clarity, Swish, it's a combination of things - first of being that I cut my teeth on dialup ANSI BBS's (damn imma old bastard) with a text-per-message limit of about 80 characters so it's an ingrained habit to return that I have to consciously work to not do.
In addition, there's a lotta folk I know, some of whom read posts here but don't dare make em, that have vision issues, farsighted, cataracts, and the like which makes it easier to read for them, and I have a deep soft spot for kids and old ladies, especially pistol packin ex nun types, meh heh heh.
Add to it a sideways thought process at times so alien it's just not translateable, when thoughts that would ordinarily be commuted into one concept go divergent and really should be separated, but that's a helluva lot harder to explain - imagine it as sitting on a rooftop in the driving rain, playing chess while carrying on a conversation about sprituality and replacing bad shingles in between moves, rather than a single thought, often several completely different ones are wound up like a helix and all going on at the same time, so the spacing and separation helps me focus on the one I happen to be addressing at the time while the others keep on truckin in the background, you see ?
There's also that it heightens the impact of slipping in emotionally, politically, or social consciousness charged keywords to pull certain strings, or even in some cases, yank certain chains, without it being real obvious that such is going on, but anyhows, I tried to format this one a bit more normally - better ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:The art of communicating effectively takes a boatload of money, because only messages that are repeated endlessly get through. Ergo, the most effective communicators are corporations and their admen, and churches.
The art of communicating effectively through the morass of noise is one which will take some time to master, but only those who do will be heard of the din of six billion voices babbling on billions of sites across the net.
That being said:
Words make the difference. If you use words that peeps want to hear, no matter what the content, they'll eat it up.
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That's true.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I just posted on another thread I was avoiding to do an analysis of the communication going on. Generally, here, everything ends in argument,
SHUT UP, DT!!!!
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Chrisisall
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Rue
Good point on choices. I thought you meant choices the writer made. You see where I got confused.
Frem
Snark = Snide Remark. Got it.
Okay, this generates a response, but this might be a device to waste everyone's time, rather than to win an audience.
Swish
You have a point. Also, Frem, Strunk and White. I find most of your posts too long. I spend like 15 min checking this board. I'm a pretty busy guy.
Riverlove
Yes, and it can create an infinite amount of content on any subject. A friend of mine emailed me about 30,000 words total about the meaningness of Obama's election to black people written by mostly white intellectuals, all saying the same thing, which is close to nothing. I think I can shorten that to: If the meaning of Obama's election to black people isn't obvious, on a social advancement/acceptance level, then you've probably been living in a cave.
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You get all worked up over things you have no control over, what's the point?
I really agree. I think there are a couple people here who discuss things that may seem very big, but that they do have control over, but 99% of it is prattle about things out of scope. Absolutely.
Frem
Always better to marvel at the new found thought than to rail against it. Something like that, Marcus Aureilius. Anyway, try using a text editor, and try to edit, and then post. It might become more readable. Self-criticism is the sharpest tool any writers has.
Sigsym,
I disagree. Nothing takes money.
I agree with tell them what they want to hear, and add your message to that, this requires defining they.
Chris
That's not argument. Unless you come from the Mitch McConnell v Harry Reid school of arguing ;)
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Frem -
I do understand, both the ansi dialup history and the mind that goes in many directions, none of them linear. I don't mean to get down on you. I only busted your chops because I find your mind interesting and want to be able to follow it better. And yes, that last post here was easier for me, thank you! 
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Straight up...
There's quite literally no way in hell I can shrink it down to fifteen minutes, when I get rescuees or recruits, even a general familiarization takes almost a month given the scale and interconnections of the issues I deal with and there just isn't any way in hell to soundbite it without losing all meaning of depth or scale, or coming across like PN by not fully substantiating things that *have* to be fully substantiated to overcome peoples natural pyschological refusal to believe things that damned awful.
How to do you get it across to folk that we run what are more or less concentration camps, for children, right here in america ?
That we incarcerate, abuse and even murder them on a regular basis for no more reason than not accepting a heinous, ruinous and sociopathic social model when we try to ram it down their throats - that's not rhetoric, would you like a casualty list ? cause I keep one, you know.
How to explain in a soundbite the effect on society of taking the very best potential humans and destroying them, mentally, spiritually, often physically, in order to maintain a status quo so awful that anyone looking at it from an outsiders viewpoint with a single ounce of humanity remaining to them cannot help but be thrown back in pure disgusted revulsion at it's evil ?
And harder, to do it in such a fashion as not to send them fleeing in horror, to encourage them to act, and wisely, rather than retreating behind the comforts of filing it as conspiracy theory, or lashing out ineffectively and thus inadvertantly making matters worse ?
How to explain how the pharmaceutical industry is involved and abetting, up to it's neck in supporting the whole mess to ensure lifelong consumers of products manufactured to treat "disorders" they cooked up or skewed the diagnoses of in the first place, which set the stage for incarcerative "treatment" options so destructive to a persons psyche that the suicide rate of it's "graduates" is over seventy percent ?
Or the neurobiochemical effects and altered brain development that such longterm off-label forced medication and severe, chronic neglect and mistreatment cause, resulting in drastic developmental differences so very extreme that physical brain structure and composition is altered to the point of actual visibility on a CAT scan ?
Or the politics involved, or that this has virtually become a handy little shopping center for political black bag recruiting, and worse, a supermarket for predators of all kinds, often directly or indirectly working for one of the aforementioned groups ?
You can NOT soundbite it, it just cannot be done, the scale and depth is too great, but it really does come down to the root of nearly all our social and spiritual ills, how we treat our young, and by that treatment, stifle our own social, mental and emotional evolution to benefit a status quo that harms us all in the end.
Either develop the patience to listen and understand something more than a thirty second commercial blurb, or plainly accept that you are not willing to invest the time and effort to understand, much less address, the primary issues at the root of so many of our problems.
Cause this issue needs, and quite frankly *deserves*, more attention than that, and if you're not willing or able to spare it, then you've no business whatever dealing with it.
No offense, but that's the way it is.
-Frem
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Frem
I know that thousands of children disappear each year - many are run-aways who can't stand an abusive home any longer, many are throw-aways who are tossed out like so much garbage.
In addition, there's that percentage of children abused and neglected every year, MOST of it in secret and NEARLY ALWAYS at the hands of their ever-loving parents or other household adults (and not by 'the system' you seem to blame for everything).
Believe me, in the ER I saw the products of that abuse.
But the situation is not one of unrelieved, endless, uniform child abuse. Most children are raised by at least one well-intentioned adult (usually a single parent) whose only faults are: not being omniscient and not being omnipotent.
Part of your inability to communicate is due to the fact that you paint a picture that is at odds with reality. People will not credit your words if you claim that all parents, or even most parents, are abusive, and that 'the system' is intent on beating every single child down using extreme measures.
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Personally, I think television does more to harm children en masse than parents.
Kids are awash in "information overload", but it's not information, it's propaganda: getting toys makes you happy, disney makes you happy, beauty makes you happy, sitting in front of the boob toob and having images flash past you makes you happy, playing violent video-games makes you happy...
ETA I (gasp!) agree with DT. You gotta separate the important from the unimportant. I don't stay plugged into the news... in fact, I barely watch/ listen. We're awash in crap.
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I don't watch network news. I do scan a half-dozen US, int'l and foreign news sites.
What you said about children - that's why what we tell ourselves about ourselves is so important. Children inhale it. An example - this thing about 'my parents never loved me'. For several hundred years, the father was the household king. The mother and children were vassals, the mother's relation to the children was driven by religion and custom. It's not to say that some men didn't love their wives, and some women didn't love their children. It's just that it wasn't an expectation. The woeful cry 'my parents never loved me !' would have made about as much sense as 'my parents never taught me how to fly !' or 'my parents weren't purple !'.
Where and how kids pick this subtext up is beyond me, but they do.
But this probably more properly belongs in the 'wifely duties' thread.
In sum, information is transmitted all sorts of ways, many of which we don't even recognize and much of which we don't intentionally communicate.
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