Heroes:the Passing around of the Dumbass Hat(spoilers)
POSTED BY: Lester
UPDATED: Friday, December 12, 2008 22:18
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Originally posted by Lester:
so just hold tight to your first season of heroes
Amen, bro.
As we do with the FIRST season of Firefly.
OP, Some of your points are valid, The length of eclipse as well as many other things DID get to me but… my expectations were always clear.
I am still trying to figure out how Heroes is anything more than a Comic Book Soap Opera. Never has been anything else. The first season (albeit superior) had NO comparisons to look back on to make these judgments and was much more mysterious to the viewer. However, season one was full of its own cheese. Maybe the people watching “Big bang Theory” or whatever it is knew their expectations of a sitcom or don’t covet it to an extreme that they squeeze the proverbial soap too hard. Hey, maybe it just delivers. IMO, I'm prolly not qualified to make the below opinions anyway, being that I own a total of 5 TV DVD series.
Stupid hat? Who in their right mind would trust Yosafbridge AT ALL for a "job" after she tried to KILL (YES, all of them) the crew. Yeah, in the end, the fixed it all better, but really... Can it be that different? Isn’t it simply just risk? I can go on with examples but I fear the level of QQ would flood us out. The stupid hat applies to all, “Cheesyness” is what Firefly had less of. Whedon has SUPERIOR dialogue and development, very few shows of ANY kind can touch him. Heroes doesn’t have that quality from end to end, prolly never will. Heroes also CONTINUOUSLY and conveniently forgets entire storylines to TRY and appease the masses. But I just DON’T think it’s a “throw away” or “give up on” show. You gonna tell me the Stargates, Dr. Who., Trek:
After reading a little of Frem’s link on the “Idiot Ball” (of which u see examples of Buffy, COMIC BOOKS, Torchwood, Dark Angel, Dr. Who, on and on) I considered how easy it is to counterpoint most anything in Sci-Fi.
Lets See:
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Elle was a shut-in who may have had more hatred for her father than Sylar. I know they tried to ‘splain it away with an anger filled, shock fest, but… In the end she could have been just as scared of the world as she was of Sylar or could be pulling aforementioned Yosafbridge and using his arse after seeing that Papa was forcing them together anyway. (I mean literally in a sealed cage) Is it So sooooo crazy? IDK, ask the Branch Dividiens or Jonestown.
What would ever give Peter the idea that his dad was the end-all, be-all, bad guy? Not future Peter, but that Peter, at that time. He was only checking into Pinehearst. Trust his shady mom? Assume in ten seconds his dad has some sort of absorbing powers? Not be at least a tad confused? Love?
Loss of mass appeal is not surprising.
What I like to notice is how wrong we are on almost every negative post I see on “in so far” summations of the show. “No one ever dies” was repeated after the first few ep.s of S3, oh yeah, well, that’s not Nikki, nor Linderman, Parkman’s Dad, haven’t seen DL or Isaac come back, etc. How often are characters getting killed in the shows you are watching? Then it was OMG, not only is Claire Nathan’s daughter, but now Sylar is a brother. Oh Noes!!!! Nope, they insulted our intelligence again by giving it a 2 second explanation, “using u for mommy issues”. I LOVED THAT!!! I think Heroes came off in season one as a great start of a trilogy with movie-like quality. Then they had not only the writer’s strike, but uh oh the issue of sustainability. The writer’s biggest problem that even existed in season one is having a time traveler. People love to squash that stuff.
We only use the ratings excuse when we agree with it. But most of the time we are raging against the common masses of TV watchers. THE reason I like the show, is not that I can apply it to REAL characters or REAL WORLD situations, nor declare it great sci-fi. It is because I like to try to figure out 2 and 3 ep.s ahead. Again, superior sci-fi? No.
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I've been saying this for years: people will pick apart with surgical precision anything that they do not agree with, at the same time they will overlook, ignore or deny similar faults in that which pleases them.
Do I believe season 3 is as good as it could be? No. Have there been some annoying inconsistencies? Yes. Is it is as good as season 1? No. I prefer to focus on the things I like when it comes to my entertainment as opposed to continuously bitching and nitpicking things that bother me. If a TV series goes too far from what I think it should be I simply stop watching and move on with my life.
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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.
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It's not all just bitching and nit-picking. Sometimes, bad is bad. And while you may still like it, the overwhelming consensus, amongst fans and professionals, is that the show has taken a major dive in quality.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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It's not all just bitching and nit-picking. Sometimes, bad is bad. And while you may still like it, the overwhelming consensus, amongst fans and professionals, is that the show has taken a major dive in quality.
Well, please expand on that! This is a fan discussion board. ...or link the what "The Professionals" are saying. This is what I am gettign at. OP was about the "Idiot Ball". Tell me why YOU, the FAN, do not like it.
I clearly state I am not trying to MAKE anyone like it.
I often wonder what the normal "newness" in ratings dive is for all types of shows. This just interests me. Also, curious if Heroes is even savable now.
So, discuss... or someone answer one of my orignal questions. Is there ANY good sci-fi out there now, movie or TV. Are ANY "professionals" agreeing that something out there in the sci-fi realm is good. I wanna watch it. Not come back and say "oh look, how this is similar to Heroes"
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Well, to answer the question: Opinions on good are always going the vary, but for me, LOST and BSG are still pretty damned great.
My problems with Heroes are all down to the writing. Especially the idoit ball (or hat, or whatever). Too frequently, the characters do thing completely against the way they have been developed, just so that the plot can advance. Examples would be Hiro opening his father's safe (after he had been developed as a character with great regard for the responsibilities bestowed uponj him), Noah thinking that Sylar wouldn't heal from a cut throat, the formerly sensitive/emotional Peter totally forgetting about the girl he abandoned in the future, and others.
And then there's the over-reliance on the prophetic visions of an apocalyptic future (once was cool, but every season??), and the blatant rip-offs from other stories (the super-power serum which The 4400 did 2 years ago, Mohinder-fly).
As for professionsals, well, here's an essay on the topic by Peter David, one of the top comic and scifi writers of the last 20 years: http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/archives/006626.html#more and here is an interview about the show with Brian Fuller (writer from season 1, and creator of Pushing Daisies): http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/exclusive-bryan.html and here are some poorly chosen wordfs from creator Tim Kring, trying to make excuses (which make little logical sense) for the problems on the show: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/11/tim-k
ring-heroe.html.
And of course, loosing 2/3 of the viewerrs says a lot on it's own.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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