Making Fan Film - Need Browncoat Help with Cannon
POSTED BY: bluesuncompanyman
UPDATED: Friday, July 17, 2009 14:17
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In the 4 years I've been visiting this board I've had all kinds of discussions with folks. Above everything I've ever posted on this site, my favorite thing has always been to answer questions about canon and explain episodes to anyone who asks; newbie to seasoned browncoat alike.
Now I'm going to turn to this community for assistance with a fan film that I've decided needs to be made. However, as deep as my knowledge of the verse runs, it does have a bottom. I cannot suffer mistakes in a film endevour, Firefly is simply too important to me to perform a shoddy job. I'm hoping people here can shed light on several issues I'm running into. Some things may have answers, some may never have been explored before. Here is my list:
1. Other than Shadow, what planets/moons participated in the Unification War on the side of the Independents? I don't think this has ever been explored.
2. What cannon Browncoat units are there? Mal was in the 57th overlanders. The 22nd is mentioned in the battle of Du Kang and the 82nd is mentioned in the pilot episode. The 76th is the fan community. Are there others?
3. What was the 22nd? Overlanders too? Was the 82nd an air assault squadron?
4. What are the political events leading to the move for independence? Were their Alliance abuses of power? Are there stories of folk being stripped of rights thus leading to a fight for liberty?
5. Is there a crest somewhere for the 57th overlanders? Also looking for browncoat recuitment posters similar to the "I want you" campaign from WWII.
6. Where can one purchase the independent Flag? Also looking for Browncoat soldiering items such as helmets, rifles, shoulder patches, ect. I see the 76th has a store, but I'm looking for other resources for more ideas.
7. Is there an image of the Alliance crest (USA Flag/China Flag ran together) somewhere on the net?
8. Canon clarifier: My understanding of the Independent Army is that it was simlar to the Confederate army. Each planet (state in Civil War) raised a series of regiments to join the overall effort to fight for a common cause each planet desired. In the case of the Unification War the common cause was the sovernity of each planet to self-govern. Is this explored in canon anywhere?
9. When Badger refered to Mal's unit as the "Balls and Bayonets Brigade", was he being honest or sarcastic? This is getting to the point of determining if the 57th had that very moniker or not.
10. I've come to believe that "Burn the land and boil the sea" refers to Shadow's uninhability due to orbital bombardment during the war. Can someone confirm or deny this?
So far that's all I'm trying to determine. I don't want to tip my hand as to what I'm working on, but I think if it comes together, it'll be impressive.
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Durn , I was hopin' I'd get to build a weapon !
You're lookin' for canon! Not a 'cannon' !
Where do you live ? I'd be willing to lend a hand with your fan-film project , if you're taking on any helpers...
I'll see if I can find some more stuff , and hopefully more folk will turn up and offer assistance...
Meanwhile , here's a mini Alliance flag...I may have some other things , but I'll have to go look for a while...
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
You're lookin' for canon! Not a 'cannon' !
Grr Arg.
I thought I'd done a decient job proofreading that thread starter. Fixed on edits.
As far as my location, I'm in Indiana. The project is currently in pre-production as we sort all these items out, so I'm not currently looking for helpers, but I'll be checking back.
Thanks for the offer!
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Right....I can't help you with too much of that, but I'll give a few a shot.
"4. What are the political events leading to the move for independence? Were their Alliance abuses of power? Are there stories of folk being stripped of rights thus leading to a fight for liberty?"
Sounds about right. The Alliance were trying to Unify the entire 'verse under their rule, meaning all laws were their decision and they would decide all disputes, not to mention they'd want to put their own people in power on each planet, with a small army to control said planet. So the Independents fought back against this, because they wanted their rights, and they wanted to keep their planets and small communities the way they had been. So far as I know, there aren't really any 'stories' of folk losing land or rights, but you can bet there WOULD have been in the 'verse inside the show, so you're no doubt welcome to make some up. You can also bet the Alliance were abusing their power, the slimy scumbags!
"5. Is there a crest somewhere for the 57th overlanders? Also looking for browncoat recuitment posters similar to the "I want you" campaign from WWII. "
I haven't come across any recruitment posters if you mean official ones, but I'd be willing to make some for you if you so require, although if you check the Blue Sun Room their might be some there already, or possibly some artists better suited to the job than I, I simply know my way around Photoshop.
"6. Where can one purchase the independent Flag? Also looking for Browncoat soldiering items such as helmets, rifles, shoulder patches, ect. I see the 76th has a store, but I'm looking for other resources for more ideas. "
eBay. I've seen Alliance and Independents patches on there, I've seen the Mal's gun replica's on there, not to mention there's no doubt helmets and rifles and things, assuming you look hard enough. Not sure about flags themselves, but I'd be willing to be that if they're anywhere, it's eBay. In fact:
http://www.patchesnpins.com/firefly_serenity%20page.htm
I haven't shopped there myself, so I can't vouch for them, but they have a great range of patches and such.
"7. Is there an image of the Alliance crest (USA Flag/China Flag ran together) somewhere on the net? "
There's a picture of the Alliance flag, if that's not precisely what you want, I can always do a better job in Photoshop for you, just ask.
And that's all I can help with really. Good luck on the fan film! Living in Australia, I can't really help much, but as I said, any image editing/designing or anything else that I can just send over to you, I'd be most willing to help out.
Make sure to keep us posted too!
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6. The 76th store only has things we could not find online, if you join the 76th we have several threads about where we got out helmets and pants and boots and weapons.
The 76th is mention on FF delete scenes,(from the first episode 'Serenity')about the time the rollers come in on Mal and Zoe. We are a real battalion mention in FF.
http://76thbattalion.proboards59.com/index.cgi?
Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion
Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal
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Hera. Site of Serenity Valley.
Was it Du Khang in the Message flashbacks?
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1. Think I recall Persephone was a site, but was lost to Alliance, maybe quickly.
Think Shadow was pre-emptively obliterated.
2. Didn't think Monty was at Serenity, so he'd be a different unit (Trash).
Zoe was regular Army, so she wouldn't have been with Mal's volunteers to begin with, right?
4. Everyplace was Independent first. Then Alliance formed in the core planets. Then Miranda. Then Alliance tried to force everybody under their thumb of domination, and eventually succeeded.
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9. Badger calls them that because(this is in the script, spoken by Mal.) The Independents were OUTNUMBERED vastly and they held the valley anyway, they lost lots of soldiers and basically were too tuff to beat. But the Independents surrendered,(leaders)but,Mal and Zoe's group would have kept fighting.
He was making fun of how stubborn Mal/battalion were.
Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion
Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal
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>>>Zoe was regular army and Mal volunteered<<<
... does not matter, volunteer or regular you go where the Army tells you, both of them have the same unit patch on their uniform, they are in the same unit.
(I was military)
Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion
Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal
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Quote:We've explored those issues a little and are needing to make a firm choice about them.
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Hera. Site of Serenity Valley.
Was it Du Khang in the Message flashbacks?
1. Hera: Was indeed the site of the final decisive confrontation but we cannot deterine if it was a rim world, a core world, or an unaligined planet. Long ago on this board, I recall reading that Hera was a core world assulted by the independents in a manner identical to Lee's push into Pennslyvania. The intent was...like in the civil war...to win a solid victory on Alliance soil and then sue for peace as the political will of core world citizens begins to crumble in the face of a home turf defeat. But, like in the civil war, the alliance turned back the assult, leading ultimately to an Independent defeat. If this is true, then Hera is not an Independent planet at all but rather a core world momentarily occupied.
2 Du Kang: This one is even more confusing. 1st is the question as to if the "Battle of Du Kang" refers to a planet or a city. One thing that I can say for sure about the place is it's a heavily Chinese influenced. The name itself is eastern and there is a great big Buddha in the sequence. The second question is to ask where this planet(or moon) is. My personal opinion based upon an educated guess is that Du Kang is an Independent planet/moon. Most of the Unification war would have been fought on rim worlds, just like the civil war was fought mostly in the south. It makes sense that this place is a browncoat world.
The reason we're asking these questions is we're creating Independent propaganda pieces that would refer to these rebel planets. I don't want to create a recuirment poster that targets the citizens of Hera only to learn that Hera was a core world that didn't support independence.
*Edit* It just occured to us that St. Albans is most likely a canon independent planet. St. Albans was Tracey's home world. Since Tracey was a browncoat soldier, and St. Albans is a frozen backwater place (back-ice perhaps?) it was more than likely an independent alligned planet. The question that this raises is why was Tracey in the 57th overlanders? If the 57th raised it's colors on Shadow, why wasn't Tracey in another regiment raised on St. Albans?
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