BDM Has More To Offer - Observations
POSTED BY: Shinygoodguy
UPDATED: Thursday, December 11, 2008 00:48
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The more times I watch Serenity the more times I get mad at Joss for killing off Wash & Book. Wash's death especially, was totally un-necessary to the story. It was just a cruel manoeuver by Joss to emote something from his fan base. It means nothing to those watching the BDM who had not seen Firefly, so why do it?
Also, I don't understand the animosity between Mal and Simon in the movie. Even in the movie Simon & River had been on the ship for 8 months. Like in the series, one would expect that after 8 months together they would have had a friendlier relationship than the adversarial hatred they demonstated for eachother in the movie. And Kaylee's little whine about Simon is silly too. Hey girl, you had 8 months! 8 months alone, together on a ship. Don't blame anyone but yourself if he didn't take notice.
Finally, do you think River watched the entire "act" between Kaylee & Simon, or did she go away once things got, well, sweaty?
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Why animosity between Mal and Simon?
Simon forfeited his entire LIFE to keep River away from Alliance snoops. Mal decides, without consulting Simon, to take River where the Alliance can find her. Simon has, in accordance with previous agreement, been serving as ship medic/doc as trade for passage for he and River.
Simon was right to hide River, as proven in Maidenhead - and Mal was wrong.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Why animosity between Mal and Simon?
Simon forfeited his entire LIFE to keep River away from Alliance snoops. Mal decides, without consulting Simon, to take River where the Alliance can find her. Simon has, in accordance with previous agreement, been serving as ship medic/doc as trade for passage for he and River.
Simon was right to hide River, as proven in Maidenhead - and Mal was wrong.
Well, if Mal hadn't taken River along on the vault job on Lilac they'd all be dead from the Reavers. River sensed they were coming, while somehow Wash in the ship was unable to detect the Reavers arrival. Look, I'm not wanting to say anything against the BDM, but just between us Browncoats, the BDH's were not as fun and nice as they were in the tv series.
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I have to agree with Riverlove. There was something off about the behavior of some of the characters in the movie, specifically Simon, Kaylee, and Jayne. With Simon and Jayne, it is like all the events and changes they went through in the series never happened. And Kaylee was kind of like someone else all together.
As for Mal asking River to help out on a job,it seems reasonable to me. The crew including Simon and River were very desperate for the money they need to keep flying and hiding. If River could help give them a higher chance of success and less chance of injury of to either the crew or the town folk, of course she should go along. It is not like the rest of the crew had not put themselves at significant risk to protect the Tams.
May have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Desperate times, breeds desperate actions, yes, but that doesn't make it morally right, and some people will object on that account, hence the animosity between Mal and Simon, which I don't understand why fans still don't get. What is Simon suppose to do? Should he let Mal take River without even so much as an objection? He would appear weak in the eyes of the viewers and his sacrifice marginalized. He cares about his SISTER. Mal cares about SERENITY and has to do what he thinks is right for his crew. Neither one is right or wrong, just desperate.
Their animosity made for great characterizations in the BDM and a more realistic portrayal of life on the rim. And I never had much respect for Kaylee until the movie, too much crying and lamenting over Simon. One of my favorite parts is when she stands up to Mal, finally some backbone. Yay, Kaylee!
Because this issue has been brought up before, it is somewhat being addressed in the comic series. The comic books are filling in between OiS and the BDM. If you read those, you'll start to see where some of the Simon and Mal animosity comes from. There are a few subplots in there, which Joss didn't get to chance to develop earlier because the show was canceled. And the on-line one shows that Lilac is not the first time Mal uses River to protect his interests.
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Originally posted by Hoperules:
I have to agree with Riverlove.
You may want to re-consider that statement. The rare few who have ever agreed with me on anything here have all mysteriously disappeared from the threads. Thanks, but watch your back!
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But in fact aren't Mal's interest and Simon's interests paralell. Mal wants to keep flying and avoid the Alliance. While the flying part may not be important to Simon per say, given the current situation, he needs Serenity and her crew to get food and fuel in order to achieve his primary goal - keep River away from the Alliance. While she is in danger on a job, it is relative small when compared to that of her capture by the Alliance.
May have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Don't worry. I'm not going anywhere. You happened to hit on a point about the BDM that really bugs me. It is nice know someone who see it the way I do.
I don't post often, so if you don't see much from me I have not vanished. I'm just quiet.
May have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Simon wants to keep River safe on all accounts, and using her for crime wasn't part of their original agreement (see the pilot). Simon comes on as the medic. River doesn't have a role until Mal recognizes her usefulness. And, she COULD have been discovered in the trading station, but Zoe blows out the cams upon entering.
Simon thought she would be safe as long as she stayed out of Mal's way on the ship and didn't do anything crazy. It's Mal that changes the parameters because times are getting desperate, partly because of the Tams, so that becomes an issue between them.
Simon wants to protect River just as Mal wanted to protect Inara in the The Train Job and the best way to do that is to stay hidden on the ship. Simon needs to understand that Serenity is all Mal has left and he needs to keep flying because he is essentially miserable in his role as the outlaw lonesome Captain, but he thinks he can’t do anything else. I guess what really bothers me is that Mal can't see that because he's become so callous towards everything, including the Tams. It's sad, but a brilliant portrayal of the both of them.
And, we need more of the verse before and after the BDM to see how these characters will eventually resolve their conflicts.
I only logged on to comment on a fic, but I can’t resist discussing this movie, back to work I go…
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Plausible. But isn't Serenity all Simon and River have too when you get down to it. I find it strange that Simon acts like Mal has no concern for River's safety. Just by having the Tams on the ship, Mal is putting himself and the entire crew at risk. Mal definitely makes his own life more difficult when he accepts Simon and River as members of the crew. In the series, Mal always returns for the Tams even when he does not have to. Mal and Simon seem to develop a certain amount of respect for each other. They may have even started to like each other, at least a little bit. In the movie, its like all the experience Simon had with Mal is of no consequence to Simon. It does not make sense to me. The attempts to fill in the blanks after the fact in comic books just feel a bit hollow to me.
My guess is that a lot of the changes come from the difference between making a movie and a TV series and the need to make the story appeal to a new audience.
P.S. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my posts
May have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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