Let's End Drug Prohibition!
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Quote:You will be issued a firearm, and expected to be responsible enough to decide who to shoot, while not getting killed your own self- but no Bud Light for YOU!
Originally posted by Ozzysun:
You're old enough to take a bullet for your country, but god forbid you drink before your 21. The height of hypocrisy.
The not-laughing Chrisisall
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I can top that.
I got in on a program, since ended, that allowed me to nail BASIC during my summer vacation at the age of sixteen.
The manager at the Hardees where I worked thought it patently ridiculous that the same kid the US Army trusted to operate the M60 machinegun, Claymore Mines, 40mm Grenade Launchers and M72A2 LAW Antitank rockets, not to mention assault rifles...
Was by virtue of age not trusted or allowed to operate the beef slicer.
"Oh dammit, will *someone* set up a hot ham&cheese, only one back there right now is the kid!"
I did know a couple places that would serve me a beer or two if I flashed my army ID, despite *knowing* I was well underage, cause they felt the same way about the whole idea.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I did know a couple places that would serve me a beer or two if I flashed my army ID, despite *knowing* I was well underage, cause they felt the same way about the whole idea.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Great example Frem. "19 or valid military ID." Keep it out of the high schools, don't limit the Colleges, and let the soldiers do as they please. Also, Frem could perhaps add something here, on most bases I've been on enlisted clubs will serve any soldier, no ID requested. But only on base.
Beyond that, I do not know why in the freaking world ganj is illegal in the USA. It's so GD stupid. I watched the history channel do a piece about it and the depression era reasons for making it criminal are so retarded, you actually laugh to hear them. Propagandists in the south convinced white people that if ganj was left accessable then minorities would rape their white women. HUH? And then feds of the day got ahold of the issue and turned out a slew of propengda films, the most famous of which is the 1936 film 'Reefer Madness'. Users are shown as going crazy, jumping out windows, violently attacking each other and generally acting like lunitics. They make the Joker from Dark Knight look sane.
Looking back at it now, everyone sees the obvious ldiocy of it, but nothing changes because nobody living remembers a day when these things were legal. So we keep living under the same stupid system where prisons fill with minor drug offenders and states spends gobs of $$$ flying around looking for pot fields.
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"LEGALIZE DRUGS NOW....STOP THE RECESSION.
Really, if you legalized drugs, and then taxed the hell out of them, this country would be debt free in a year."
You DO know about people going to reservations to stock up on tax-free cigarettes --- right ? Unless you are SO addicted you really don't care (there are levels of drug dependence) most people will try to find the cheapest source. That would lead to a division between the legal taxed-to-hell versions and the illegal tax-free versions. And you would once again end up with illegal drugs, and the illegal drug trade; just like with cigarettes and reservations.
As for military service V legal drinking/ tobacco/ porn/ simulated violence age - I don't recommend combat duty for people under 21 (optimally) as well. Youth is considered one of the prime risk factors for doing combat duty and coming back ... not normal. I wouldn't recommend several other jobs for those under 21 either: police duty, EMT work, or other jobs where you routinely deal with people in severe pain and the dying, with threat and/ or violence. It changes you. Of course, some people can do that kind of thing and come out normal, after all, look at me. 
(he he he he he)
This is not to say I think drugs should be illegal. I just don't think they should be a for-profit business. Because when you remove the 'illegal' aspect of drugs all you are doing is changing vendors. (Or in the case of the Netherlands, not.) There is STILL just as much incentive to advertise, glamorize and otherwise 'push' the use of drugs, knowing that you will have a guaranteed addicted client base --- if you can just get them addicted to your brand of poison first.
I think drugs should be prescribed by doctors and those prescriptions filled with non-descript products out of non-descript dispensaries.
Anyway, this is what I have time for today.
Later, all ! 
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Not saying one is worse than the other but with such a descision there would definately need to be some very, VERY astringent laws set up just like the ones in place for alcohol and bigger penalties for committing crimes while under the influence.
I hope everyone considers the underage factor to be more than just a legal age for a person to be capable of using drugs. With the underage drinking rate (of people below the age of 18) how can anyone consider legalizing any illicit drug.
Pot is a drug. It alters a persons mind, body, or emotion. I do like the argument that many people with addictive personalities use different drugs. But after working with teens for almost a decade it is second nature to be able to point out the kids who use, what they use, and how often. Even the kids that use a "less dangerous" substance like marijuanna. I can't completely accept it as an acceptable legal substance for the US. I will say that I've never seen a healthy person under the influence of pot intentionally hurt someone (unless they were drinking while smoking). But I have seen them more agitated and near violence when they had nothing to smoke (moreso than a tobacco smoker). I have seen motivation and physical/mental conditiong go to shit after long term useage in many people. And I have seen people incapable of holding jobs after long term usage. It is not mom and dads pot anymore. It is no longer natural (yeah, I've seen a growth operation or two). And lastly, the US is already outsourcing jobs like a bitch. Not to say that we'd become lazier and less motivated as a culture. But with more users (just like non-working alcoholics) comes more people less willing to work. Is anyone ready to take that chance?
Good points to legalization: People involved in the illicit drug trade will be subject to prosecution for tax evasion and defrauding the government. Posession penatlies will drop through the floor freeing up federal money for other prevention and juvenile funds. And tax revenue from sales would help states with a little more change in their pocket (look up the tax revunue for tobacco sales).
Meh, It really couldn't be that bad. But the risk seems to big for the US at this point. Maybe another twenty years and we might mature enough to accept some other form of legalized drug.
ADD: Energy drinks. Has anyone brought them up yet. I see kids walking around with them. Some of them get insanely agitated without them. They can purchase energy drinks but not the energy pills behind the counter or at the gas station. I think we need to look at that before any other drug.
ADD 2: Thanks Rue for the Reservation thing. Gonna be asking questions about the tax mine charges and where it goes. They all still have the tax stamp on the bottom of the pack. So what is my government doing with NV State government money?
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:You will be issued a firearm, and expected to be responsible enough to decide who to shoot, while not getting killed your own self- but no Bud Light for YOU!
Originally posted by Ozzysun:
You're old enough to take a bullet for your country, but god forbid you drink before your 21. The height of hypocrisy.
The not-laughing Chrisisall
I'll still stick with the 21 drinking age. I just don't think you should be mussin with the brain untill it's done cooking.
If you want to bump the enrollment age back to 21, I'd be cool with that.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by rue:
You DO know about people going to reservations to stock up on tax-free cigarettes --- right ? Unless you are SO addicted you really don't care (there are levels of drug dependence) most people will try to find the cheapest source. That would lead to a division between the legal taxed-to-hell versions and the illegal tax-free versions. And you would once again end up with illegal drugs, and the illegal drug trade; just like with cigarettes and reservations.
There might be some of that, but I hardly think it'd be a widespread phenomenon.
Hell, I smoke, and I live right next to a huge reservation. I am not going to bother driving out to the rez when I can skip around the corner to the 7/11, even if it would save me a bit of money.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I hope everyone considers the underage factor to be more than just a legal age for a person to be capable of using drugs. With the underage drinking rate (of people below the age of 18) how can anyone consider legalizing any illicit drug.
It's generally easier for kids to gets drugs than alcohol. Legalizing it may well drop the availablity of it.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:That's where I was going with that one, yeah.
Originally posted by Storymark:
If you want to bump the enrollment age back to 21, I'd be cool with that.
The D'Chrisisall
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"There might be some of that, but I hardly think it'd be a widespread phenomenon."
Bloomberg sues to curb Indian reservation tax-free cigarette sales
by The Star-Ledger Continuous News Desk Tuesday September 30, 2008, 5:24 AM
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg filed suit Monday against eight Indian reservation shops for selling tax-free cigarette to outsiders, according to a report in the New York Daily News.
The report said he plans to ask a Manhattan federal judge this week to halt all cigarette sales at the stores on Long Island's Poospatuck Indian Reservation until the illegal sales stop. Under state and federal laws, only tribe members connected to the Poospatuck reservation can buy tax-free cigarettes there, but bootleggers are buying millions of the $31 cartons to sell to smokers who would otherwise pay $70 for a legally taxed carton in the city.
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