Hey, I'm no prude, but isn't the porn thing a little out of control here?
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UPDATED: Thursday, December 4, 2008 14:10
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Quote:Puritan much?
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:Is anyone else just a little freaked out by this admission?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I googled “preteen girl sex” once and everything that I pulled up was sex sites, most of them featuring underage girls. I expected that some of them would be like that, but I didn’t expect all of them. I had to go back and qualify my search with things like “-pedo” and “-nude” to get what I was looking for. The internet is inundated with this stuff to the point that it inhibits reasonable usage.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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See, Storymark, that's perfectly reasonable.
I never saw why heavy metal T-shirts were verboten cause the school seemed to think heavy metal = violence, now I could understand if the CONTENT of the shirt was violent, but that was not the case.
Nor were my biker/harley T-shirts allowed, at least till my mother rode HER bike down there and made a little issue out of it, cause she bought them for me in the first place.
Or the fact that my glasses, which I *need* to see the damn blackboard, were photogreys because I happen to be light-sensitive, and thus caused a bit of a furor over "No sunglasses".
http://www.allaboutvision.com/lenses/photochromic.htm
Or the fact that Raiders jackets were considered gang-related in spite of every other teams fanwear being acceptable.
Most of it honestly seemed (and still does, as my niece goes to this school) to be some manner of powertripping by the school officials and had little or nothing to do with good sense at all.
Of course me being me, it did not help matters when I laid into an upper level school board official for smoking a pipe in the hallway and office, as if policy didn't apply to him - nor busting the chops of the assistant administrator over what had to be the ugliest tie I'd ever seen, but then again that was *during* a pointed suggestion that his behavior towards a female student was rather inappropriate.
Funny thing is, if one actually communicated with these kids instead of treating them as livestock, this stuff could easily be hammered out and sensible policies not only enacted, but enacted with the willing support of the student body itself.
Oh, and since when has the phrase "I am not a pet, I am a person, please treat me like one." qualified as "insubordinate behavior" ?
-F
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Quote:Thank you.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:I can think of lots of reasons that someone might google a phrase like that...
I googled “preteen girl sex” once and everything that I pulled up was sex sites, most of them featuring underage girls.... The internet is inundated with this stuff to the point that it inhibits reasonable usage.
"preteen + girl + sex ... + incidence"
"... + warning signs"
"... + prevention"
Y'all- get your heads outta the gutter!
And incidentally, I was looking for the prevalence of sexual activity among preteen girls, which I found to be disturbingly high. The greatest risk is from a family member or older boys at school forcing girls into sexual activity, and what concerns me the most is that it always occurs without parental knowledge, and sometimes right under the parents’ noses. On rarer occasions young girls will explore voluntarily, but this too is often instigated by discussion with older men or women, often on the internet. In any case, none of it is healthy.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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He still goes yuck when Indy kisses a woman...
Ha - How wonderful. I Remember thinking like that. Man was I an idiot!!!
Anyway - I'm going against uniforms and or dress codes because I went to a school that insisted on them, not only during school hours but also out of school up until you were home. This seems like nothing in particular but up until I was 13 I had to wear shorts to school . Even in winter, unless you were a prefect - the giddy heights of which I never reached, or aspired to... So I spent most of my years between 8-13 freezing cold! To add insult to injury I had previously spent the ages of 3-8 in Paraguay (hot, warm comfortable South America Paraguay ahhhhhh)
Then we came to FREEZING COLD ENGLAND and I was having to WALK 3 miles to school in the WINTER in SHORTS!!!! (Damn you do that these days you'd be up for abuse!!!
Now I know what you're all saying about dress codes, and for sure you'd maybe appease certain hormones prevalent in a particular age group - and given a warm country with a nice even tempered climate it's a whizzo idea!.... But in England it aint! It's frikkin painful and I remember many a fight/squabble breaking out amoungst us unthawed youngsters as we battled for prime real estate near the radiators(heaters) in a classroom. Moods were miserable, focus was dulled and tempers short.
The real kick in the teeth though was that this school was housed within an ancient building where the radiators were rarely switched on. Yet we'd cling in hope that at some stage in our sub zero education we'd be privy to a modicum of heat. How wrong we were.
Anyway what are we saying that wearing a school uniform stops porn on the internet? Seems to me a large percentage of porn caters for just that perversion - SCHOOL UNIFORMS.
what a strange world....
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Quote:Thank you.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:I can think of lots of reasons that someone might google a phrase like that...
I googled “preteen girl sex” once and everything that I pulled up was sex sites, most of them featuring underage girls.... The internet is inundated with this stuff to the point that it inhibits reasonable usage.
"preteen + girl + sex ... + incidence"
"... + warning signs"
"... + prevention"
Y'all- get your heads outta the gutter!
And incidentally, I was looking for the prevalence of sexual activity among preteen girls, which I found to be disturbingly high. The greatest risk is from a family member or older boys at school forcing girls into sexual activity, and what concerns me the most is that it always occurs without parental knowledge, and sometimes right under the parents’ noses. On rarer occasions young girls will explore voluntarily, but this too is often instigated by discussion with older men or women, often on the internet. In any case, none of it is healthy.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
Ah - thanks for clarifying that. I suspected that there might be a legitimate reason for your search, but it's still not something you can really be comfortable talking about, simply because of the associations it brings with it.
Put it this way - it's the kind of search that would, at the very least, get you fired from many, many jobs, just by appearing in your search history.
I'm far from a puritan, but there are words I absolutely refuse to put together in a Google search, simply because I'm sure that it's going to return some unsettling stuff.
As I was reading your post, I was kind of going, "WHAT?! IS HE INSANE?!" Makes sense now, though.
But that's the kind of country we live in, where an innocent thing can be seen as something quite the opposite...
Mike
PS: I'd be remiss if I didn't admit that it also gave me a great chance to needle you a bit. I don't think it came across that way, though, as this is a pretty touchy subject. No harm intended, just snarky good fun!
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
As for uniforms, I would have loved them. It would have actually allowed me to be creative and more carefree, without worrying about whether my choice of clothes would affect how others treat me in school.
Teenagers in large numbers aren't generally a confident, embracing crowd. They can be vicious to those they deem weaker or different (because they are scared of being weak and different) and clothes are such an obvious, superficial and easy thing to focus on.
Please. Unless the uniform went right down to the shoes and accessories, as well as hairstyle, there would always be something to judge. And if the clothes and hair couldn't be judged, something would be. Eye color. Height. Glasses. Braces. Hell, the name someone is given by their parents. Later, of course, cars.
Saying uniforms would eliminate superficial judgements is like saying a well-paved road will eliminate accidents. You can't thwart human stupidity and/or cruelty with such, if you will, superficial solutions. Addressing the heart of the matter, in all things, is the challenge and the key.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
As for uniforms, I would have loved them. It would have actually allowed me to be creative and more carefree, without worrying about whether my choice of clothes would affect how others treat me in school.
Teenagers in large numbers aren't generally a confident, embracing crowd. They can be vicious to those they deem weaker or different (because they are scared of being weak and different) and clothes are such an obvious, superficial and easy thing to focus on.
Please. Unless the uniform went right down to the shoes and accessories, as well as hairstyle, there would always be something to judge. And if the clothes and hair couldn't be judged, something would be. Eye color. Height. Glasses. Braces. Hell, the name someone is given by their parents. Later, of course, cars.
Saying uniforms would eliminate superficial judgements is like saying a well-paved road will eliminate accidents. You can't thwart human stupidity and/or cruelty with such, if you will, superficial solutions. Addressing the heart of the matter, in all things, is the challenge and the key.
I'm not saying all such superficial judgment would have been eliminated. Nor should all kids look the same, God forbid.
But a decent chunk of it might have been focused on other things, still. Especially on things less dependent on how much money their parents make or whether they can color-coordinate.
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I don't think the current popular culture has much to do with porn. More like it has to do with the advertising agencies knowing that sex sells, and then applying that where it ought not be applied more and more. On top of that is of course, no-one (or very very few) calling them on it because it happened so slowly that people acclimatised to it. And now no-one pays attention now, as well, because the only people that do complain are the nutters. Well, at least the loud ones that get noticed.
*sigh*
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I've long thought that the heterosexual obsession with sex had a lot to do with the whole peek-a-boo schizophrenia our culture pushes. Look at your average gay kid, he or she will be forced by circumstances to see the object of his or her affection fully nude in the school locker room and shower. But rather than becoming helpless sex fiends they grow up being a lot more sexually self-aware than your average straight kid.
So, I don't know that forcing children to cover up at school really helps 'em at all. I mean, seriously, devout Muslims have the same idea with the veil and the burqa. Sexual self-control should not be dependent on clothing, it needs to be internalized, that is, taught.
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You make an excellent point, Cavalier. It is, as I said, all about the heart of the matter 
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Especially on things less dependent on how much money their parents make...
Shoes. Accessories. Hair.
Snobs find each other. They have ways. Radar or something. I'm sorry, I'm not meaning to attack you here at all, but thinking otherwise seems very much like hopeful naivete to me. I've done some research on this sort of thing, and I also have my own encounters with snobbery to draw upon. The cause of the snobbery is what needs to be addressed, not the effect once it's in full swing. This is true in all forms of health, be it that of the body or the society as a whole.
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