Hey, I'm no prude, but isn't the porn thing a little out of control here?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, December 4, 2008 14:10
VIEWED: 7525
PAGE 3 of 6
Finn probably wanted to do statistics on preteen girls and the current mores of the times. If you are raising girls, it might be helpful to know these things. OTOH it does refute the claim that parents alone raise children and society at large has no role.
***************************************************************
Silence is consent.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I googled “preteen girl sex” once and everything that I pulled up was sex sites, most of them featuring underage girls. I expected that some of them would be like that, but I didn’t expect all of them. I had to go back and qualify my search with things like “-pedo” and “-nude” to get what I was looking for. The internet is inundated with this stuff to the point that it inhibits reasonable usage.
Is anyone else just a little freaked out by this admission?
Yes!
You type something like that and the Vice Squad should automatically come to your house with a warrant, preferably dropping out of a helicopter and smashing through your window in full SWAT gear.
Reminds me of when Pete Townsend got into a bit of trouble for "researching" kiddie porn sites on his computer.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I think part pf the problem still lies in the Puritanical side of this country. A nipple is still a big deal here, elsewhere, you see them in soap commercials and no one bats an eye, or is scarred by it.
I still don't understand how so many parents are okay with their kids viewing incredibly violent material, but freak out when their kids see something that every human being does.
Not that I'm saying we need to sexualize things even more. We just need to stop acting like it's dirty. Kids, and humans in general, will always be drawn to forbidden fruit.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I am rather viciously against uniforms in school.
Not only does it set up and protect a monopoly, thus making $24 worth of clothes cost $180, but also it is harmful to the mental and social development of children and a throwback to the idiocy of sumptuary law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumptuary_law
Now, dress codes, that's iffy - some folk might recall us students had the next best thing to a guerilla war going on over that issue when after losing fair and square to our student government, our school dissolved it and then rammed it through anyways.
We were ok with most of it, but some things were ridiculous overkill and not thought through in advance, no shorts ? in summer, during PE ?
They accidently taught us how things REALLY work, for all their lip service to the contrary, and we did fight back and win, but part of the deal involving the restitution of the student government and the dress code agreed to by BOTH parties, was the expulsion on trumped up BS of the two primary motivators, me and Roger.
The only way I would be ok with school uniforms is if the student government takes a vote and agrees with the idea, and the students themselves are allowed and encouraged to participate in the selection and design thereof.
That makes it something they would then wear as a statement of pride and solidarity with their educational institution, rather than a prisoners colors forced on them by the warden.
Do you understand this principle ?
Cause it's the very root and core of my opposition to school uniforms and dress codes - the lack of, and explicit removal of, any student input on the topic, which is as backwards, stupid and barbaric as beating your wife, children should be seen and not heard, and all that lameass shit we should have grown out of by now.
The assumption of stupidity and incompetence will offend just about ANYONE it's directed at, and children/teens are no exception, and it starts and/or widens a pre-existing rift by setting an adversarial relationship that leads directly to deeper social ills over time.
And I take specific and explicit offense to this statement.
Quote:
Reducing the impulse for children to be creative with clothing will help to maintain focus on multiple fronts.
Cause in practice it's DAMNED close to this one.
Quote:
Reducing the impulse for children to be creative will help to maintain focus on multiple fronts.
And that is something I will fight against to the very last breath within me.
Which leads into Rue's well placed commentary there, cause by encouraging them to THINK FOR THEMSELVES at an early age, allows some defense against the corp-consumer culture hoisted upon them at every turn and corner in our current society.
If you treat children as chattel, enemies or prisoners, don't be surprised when that is what they grow up to be.
Treat them as human beings, adults in training, guide their steps instead of dragging them by force, and you'll have allies, intelligent and creative ones with a strong sense of their own morals - instead of foes that hate and despise you and all you stand for cause it's kicked them in the teeth for nearly twenty years.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
I still don't understand how so many parents are okay with their kids viewing incredibly violent material, but freak out when their kids see something that every human being does.
Not that I'm saying we need to sexualize things even more. We just need to stop acting like it's dirty. Kids, and humans in general, will always be drawn to forbidden fruit.
That I can agree with.
Always thought it odd that murder and mayhem are ok, but a little slap and tickle are so evil ?
Preposterous!
-F
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"Not that I'm saying we need to sexualize things even more. We just need to stop acting like it's dirty."
And we need to stop acting like it's a commodity.
***************************************************************
Silence is consent.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
And we need to stop acting like it's a commodity.
***************************************************************
Silence is consent.
Good point. It's a pretty messed up society we live in where the very act provides for the continuance of the species is treated as taboo - AND used as the main marketing tool in our culture. No wonder kids are so screwed up.
On the subject of school uniforms/dress codes - I fully support dress codes. Uniforms are a stickier subject - I'm not totally opposed, but I do recognize the drawbacks. The stifling of creativity and individuality being my main issues with the notion.
But dress codes, I view as absolutely nessesary. I teach High School, so I regularly see some of the things kids try to wear to school. I think it's more than possible for a student to express their individuality without showing 5 inches of cleavage or their ass cheek.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I agree with StoryMark. Completely.
I also think the domain suffix of Frem's is a good idea.
And you can't shield your kids, you can't be with them all the time. And yes, kids are sneaky. All you can do is do your best. Talk to them about sex before they get their education from the internet. Most especially, I think the emotional implications should be discussed. It's something very few people talk about, it's mostly left at "You shouldn't have sex before you're married" or a similar message, and that, my friends, is not going to stop anyone. "You shouldn't have sex until you're in a loving and committed relationship where you truly trust the other person, because it's likely to cause an upwelling of emotions you might not expect if I didn't tell you this now. Once you're through puberty, you'll have encountered those kinds of emotions and be better prepared to deal with them. It's important not to listen only to your natural urges, but also to your heart." is a much better outline of it, IMO. It worked for me.
I consider dress codes a decent idea, but uniforms shouldn't be forced upon anyone who doesn't want to wear them.
Also, Chris, I googled "cute chicks pictures" and found plenty of baby animals and a few shots of cleavage. Why you gotta make me think I'll find a lot of hawtness that way? 
[/sig]
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I think the biggest message we need to teach our kids about sex is - if you don't feel like you can say no, if you don't feel like you can discuss pregnancy, disease and condoms, if you don't feel like you have the right to protect yourself - you're not in the right relationship and you're not ready.
***************************************************************
Silence is consent.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Yeah. When I read that, I muttered "Woah dude ..." to myself. That was a pretty weird thing to post.
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I googled “preteen girl sex” once and everything that I pulled up was sex sites, most of them featuring underage girls. I expected that some of them would be like that, but I didn’t expect all of them. I had to go back and qualify my search with things like “-pedo” and “-nude” to get what I was looking for. The internet is inundated with this stuff to the point that it inhibits reasonable usage.
Is anyone else just a little freaked out by this admission?
------------------------------
What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME