It's time for changes..... lots of them.
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Yeah, the problem we atheists have is that we pretty routinely DON'T get together at church to hatch our big plans. We tend to live our lives and let others live theirs, so long as they aren't trying to ram their beliefs down our throats.
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Originally posted by Rue:
I have NEVER had even one single atheist come to my door let alone atheist S, though I have had groups of religious people come to my door quite frequently.
I can't seem to find the article I read about a guy doing this on his own a year or two ago right now, but I assure you that there are more people doing this. I admit that the door to door stuff is pretty annoying. We've got a bunch of them around me and I get letters handwritten to my mailbox and door to door visits quite frequently (which I just know better than to answer now). Especially annoying was the first time Mormans came to my door the wearing the outfits they wear and I thought it was the feds banging on my door to confiscate my computer with my pirated Culture Club discograpy.
This is a joke right here (at least kind-of), but it's only a matter of time idiot kids copycat it and start doing this stuff.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I stand corrected, he might have been serious.
I did not know the FFRF (based in Wisconsin, so they'd be in Jack's hair first, obviously) had taken steps I consider ridiculous and do not support.
Atheists Reach Out -- Just Don't Call It Proselytizing
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122696699813835335-lMyQjAxMDI4Mj
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What a ridiculous idea, I simply cannot agree with it.
-F
Well you've found something along those lines Frem. Although this seems to be even more scary because of the size of the whole deal. I know I'm much more prone to a life of faith someday than you are and I'm totally cool with that. I appreciate it the most coming from you that this idea is not one to be supported.
What's next? The year of our Ford?
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~morihisa/bnwsyn.html
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, the problem we atheists have is that we pretty routinely DON'T get together at church to hatch our big plans. We tend to live our lives and let others live theirs, so long as they aren't trying to ram their beliefs down our throats.
I know I don't "hatch big plans", but I haven't been to church for years except for weddings and funerals. I can say that back when I did go to church though I did not ever hear anyone hatching any plans against others. I've only been to Catholic church though, so I can only speak for that.
That being said, I agree with your sentiment if it were really happening, but I assure you that most of us aren't anything like what you're talking about and part of the problem is that there are those of you who think that anyone who believes in God is like that. I don't like it when Mormans come to my door, but if a door to door Athiest came to my door I'd likely punch him in the face because they're just doing this to piss people off. I don't agree with the Mormans tactics, but at least I believe that they really have good intentions in their hearts when they're doing the door to door thing.
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I thought it was the feds banging on my door to confiscate my computer with my pirated Culture Club discograpy.
Let me guess: You answered the door and said, "Do you really want to hurt me?"
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...but I assure you that most of us aren't anything like what you're talking about and part of the problem is that there are those of you who think that anyone who believes in God is like that.
And I assure you that the only Xtians I tend to meet are the proselytizing, pushy kind that feel the need to knock on your door and piss you off. Tell you what - IF I decided to believe in a god of some sort, I'll figure out where to go to worship all on my own, okay?
Every Xtian I've ever come across who wanted to "help" me was also utterly convinced that I was a demon-worhipper the moment I told them I was an atheist. Makes me tend to think that all Xtains are either deluded, or straight-up fucking morons. I don't believe in THEIR god because I don't believe in ANY god, or even in the concept of gods. That kind of thinking is anathema to churchfolk, though, at least in my experience.
Mike
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Indeed Jack, the funny thing is that this type of activity is discouraged, if not outright forbidden, in both Christian and Muslim religious texts, I kid you not.
In fact it was reading the Bible that lead to me to eventually find Christianity as a whole despicable.
If you want folks to travel the path that you walk, the only right way to do it is to SET A FREAKIN EXAMPLE, and they'll come to you, if they're interested.
Imma Unitarian Universalist as a whole, and my personal beliefs are not something I share save with a tiny most respected few, and when I have it's invariably upset them.
All that I will share is that they resemble eastern philosophies more than western, with a heavy maltheistic bent, and that's as much as anyone really needs to know, more actually - since it's a persons ACTIONS that are meaningful, not their beliefs save as they inspire behavior.
Believe me, folks can twist any belief in their own minds far enough to do ridiculous crap with it - and even worse, fight about it !
Look at Xmas/Yule, for example... folks, I don't care if ya got a tree, or not, or a menora(sp?) or a yule log or nothing at all, it's ALL pretty in it's own way and the only part of it I don't care for is the rampant and crass commercialism and greed, which has it's own amusements to someone with a dark sense of humor, mind you...
But people fight, over a friggin XMAS TREE ? with lights and pretties ?
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND could find that offensive ?
Now, the bell-ringin extortionist in a santa suit giving me a headache outside of walmart, I can see where that would be offensive in a way, and even rubs me a little raw on top of it cause of the salvation army's intolerance of gay people...
But you know what ?
He's dressed as Santa, ringin a bell, and kids like that stuff... and they DO help people, as intolerant as they are, and so I just shut my mouth and keep on keepin on, rather than crash everyone around me's day cause I am perchance a bit annoyed, so what, I'll get over it.
It's called tolerance, and more folk should learn some.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Funny quote, relative to that, Mikey, and at the time, it was thrown at me in insult, comparing me to Aereon, and NOT viewing me or her favorably.
Dame Vakko - "You don't pray to our God, you pray to NO God, or so I hear."
Aereon - "Elementals..., we calculate."
Religious folks should keep it to themselves, out of respect for others, imho.
-F
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...but I assure you that most of us aren't anything like what you're talking about and part of the problem is that there are those of you who think that anyone who believes in God is like that.
And I assure you that the only Xtians I tend to meet are the proselytizing, pushy kind that feel the need to knock on your door and piss you off. Tell you what - IF I decided to believe in a god of some sort, I'll figure out where to go to worship all on my own, okay?
Every Xtian I've ever come across who wanted to "help" me was also utterly convinced that I was a demon-worhipper the moment I told them I was an atheist. Makes me tend to think that all Xtains are either deluded, or straight-up fucking morons. I don't believe in THEIR god because I don't believe in ANY god, or even in the concept of gods. That kind of thinking is anathema to churchfolk, though, at least in my experience.
Mike
There's no need to call them Xtians. You know that's just something that pisses people off too.
A majority of the Christians that live here in America are pretty secular for the most part. I have more vices than I can count on two hands and I always try my best not to judge other people too hard because I ain't exactly proud of a lot of my actions. I think the problem is that you judge all Christians by the actions of the vociferous minority who feel it is their duty to point out everyone elses flaws, while completely ignoring/forgetting about their own.
The truth is, most of the Christians you know you are completley unaware that they are Christians.
Frem don't believe in God (at least I think he doesn't, not trying to put words in his mouth), but he isn't activly trying to piss Christians or any other believers off for the sake of pissing them off. He wants to be left alone just like I do, and that includes sarcastically calling Christians Xtians.
I don't think you're a demon worshiper for being an atheist. I normally don't even bother saying what I think of someone who is truly convinced there is no higher power, but since we're on the subject, I think you think far too much of yourself because you can't even concieve the possibility that there is a creator. I don't think you're going to burn in hell for not believing like more religious folks than I do probably will. To do so would be almost surely damning my own self for my own indescretions.
~6
EDIT: I was mistaken about Frem's beliefs. See... he don't even feel the need to say that much. I'm surprised he did now.
Religious people should keep that shit to themselves Frem. I completley agree. That includes a bunch of idiots who out of hate want to start an "anti-religion" and do to others exactly what they hate is being done to them.
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I always understood the Xtian moniker to be the same as Xmas. Just shorthand, and not an effort to 'piss people off'.
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Indeed, Jack.
My first reaction to that was "Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over ?" cause it not only redlines the irony meter, it makes absolutely no damn sense.
Never really understood why folks who've taken a mess of shit need to turn around and do the same to another group all the while whining about how persecuted they are.
The freakin protestants did it to the native americans, the Israelis do it to the Palestinians, and now this happy horse shit.
It's asinine, and if I ever do see any on my doorstep, they get the one legally required warning, indicating that noncompliance will result in forceful removal, during which they may (strongly hinted: damn sure WILL BE!) injured in the process thereof - in most states, that's all you are legally obligated to do, give them the warning and then a reasonable amount of time (say, a minute) to comply before you physically remove them, and you've every right to defend yourself if they assault you during the process.
And that's if I feel like being NICE, and don't feel like engaging in malicious mindfuckery a'la wormtongue vs eowyn - I'll get in their heads and break stuff, it's easy when you know where all the levers are and what all the buttons do, really.
Normally imma pretty tolerant fellow, but attempting to force ones political or religious beliefs at me is on par with a slap in the face, and attempting to due so with even a *hint* of threat behind it is one step short of pulling a weapon - and I WILL react accordingly.
Just because it isn't physical violence, makes it no less an attack at ones person.
If I can find the time, imma stop by my local FFRF people and have that kinda discussion with em, cause this behavior is absolutely unacceptable and inexcusable.
Oh, and admittedly, right up front, yes I am extremely hostile to and biased against the Christian belief system, sure - I take people individually however, just like I do with police officers despite how I feel about police, and police forces in general, they can INDIVIDUALLY be decent folk, and thus take them accordingly...
But as a belief collective, as a system, hell yes (pun intended) I despise them, not gonna deny that one bit.
One of my allies, a former catholic nun, and as nice a lady as you could ever meet, put it this way - "I suppose, from your viewpoint, we could be considered despicable, but I am not WE, I am ME, and it's my example you have to judge me by as a person, and rightly it's sure better than yours, young man."
Smart lady, sweet too - just cause I don't like the belief don't mean I can't like the people.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by rue:
I always understood the Xtian moniker to be the same as Xmas. Just shorthand, and not an effort to 'piss people off'.
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It sure pissed my grandpa off when they started doing it at his job at Dominicks foods. Do you think that Christina Aguliara did it for reason's other than to be "darkly" appealing when she started calling herself Xtina during her "Dirty" phase?
Just so you know..... Xmas, Xtianiaty, and any X of that sort isn't something that believers like seeing. If you use it, you're being as offensive to those people as if you were calling someone a Nigger or a Kike.
The more you know...
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