Caleb vs. Hamilton

POSTED BY: ShadowVessel
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FAITH5X5

Friday, May 21, 2004 4:44 PM

The WB is airing the Angel Finale again on Tuesday so you can check it out. I think its on at 8.

Faith5X5

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Friday, May 21, 2004 5:26 PM

My vote would be that Wolfram and Hart are more powerful than the First - if you remember, it was the amulet sent by WR&H that allowed the First to be defeated in the finale of Buffy.

"I like smackin' 'em!" - Jayne Cobb

DAVCO92

Friday, May 21, 2004 5:49 PM

Hamilton wasn't around too much so I figure he was spending way too much time in his bunk...I'll go with Caleb.

Burn the land, boil the sea...

SOUTHERNMERC

Friday, May 21, 2004 5:56 PM

Did anyone but me notice that Joss answered the question put forth during Fred's death, that of "Who would win, cavemen or astronauts?" With WR&H being the astronauts and Illyria being the cavemen, it's pretty clear that the cavemen get the spanking. Illyria only did well when she started using the plan Angel put forth, coupling her incredible strength with Angel's intelligence.

Any takers for this off topic bit?

Jayne: "See, Vera? You get dressed up, you get taken someplace fun!"

QUICKSAND

Friday, May 21, 2004 8:22 PM

I disagree.

What you said is true, about agility vs. juggernautism (i made a word!), but you must recall that Caleb took an axe to the CHEST. He was DEAD. He had the First going for him... and he got right back up again. Had his neck been broken, he'd have gotten up too, I wager.

Hamilton... the senior partners didn't imbue with quite so much power. When he died, he stayed dead. Not only that, the senior partners dropped an entire building on his head, because they had bigger fish to fry.

So as it happens, you really DO live longer when you have a team behind you. And less long, when you don't.

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QUICKSAND

Friday, May 21, 2004 8:24 PM

Dude, were you not paying attention?

WR&H didn't send the amulet.... Lindsey did.

(Well, okay, he sent it to WR&H, who sent it to Angel, but that's neither here nor there).

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SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Friday, May 21, 2004 8:57 PM

Actually, this brings up an interesting question. Since Lilah gave Angel the amulet, was she in league with Lindsey? Seems unlikely, since they really didn't like each other, but maybe their mutual hatred for Angel brought them together.

Or perhaps Lilah (and thus the Senior Partners) gave the amulet to Angel, knowing they could bring him back after its use, but dropped the plan when Spike used it instead. Lindsey may have just taken advantage of the situation and claimed responsibility, as nobody would know any better.

"I like smackin' 'em!" - Jayne Cobb

SHADOWVESSEL

Friday, May 21, 2004 9:15 PM

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Posted by grrarrg.
I'd have to go with Jasmine. She actually was a Power-That-Was-And-Was-About-To-Be-Again, whereas Caleb and Hamilton were vessels of the First and the Senior Partners, respectively. Jasmine was using her own strength, and she wasn't even up to full power yet. Plus, maybe her charm spell would work on Caleb and Hamilton.

I was actually thinking of this scenario today! What if Buffy and Angel had both failed? If Angel had been killed in LA he wouldn't have brought Buffy the amulet to use and The First would have won. So what kind of battle royale would have ensued as two Ancients and their armies collided in their attemps to rule the Earth?

New topic, anyone?

(Gorramn Double Post)

"I'll be in my bunk."

SHADOWVESSEL

Friday, May 21, 2004 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by Quicksand:
I disagree.

What you said is true, about agility vs. juggernautism (i made a word!), but you must recall that Caleb took an axe to the CHEST. He was DEAD. He had the First going for him... and he got right back up again. Had his neck been broken, he'd have gotten up too, I wager.

Hamilton... the senior partners didn't imbue with quite so much power. When he died, he stayed dead.

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I think we have our winning arguement. Juggernautism isn't beaten by agility, but by the power of resurrection.

And yes, tighter pants, also known as the power of 'urrection.

Now... Caleb, The First, and the Ubervamps vs. Jasmine and the world. The only problem in that would be if the Ubervamps turned the world population into vampires before the tide could be turned. Takers anyone?

(Gorramn Double Post)

"I'll be in my bunk."

CAGEYBEE

Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:29 AM

my thinking on the whole WR&H vs. the first is that it wouldn't happen, aren't they kinda on the same side? i mean, a 'you rule the americas, we get asia' kinda thing....only that doesn't work either because eventually, someone wants it all and someone feels justified in getting it. this leads to another good vs. evil....its everlasting, i guess.

closer to the actual subject thread, shouldn't WR&H be less powerful than the first, because its... well, its the first? shouldn't it have created WR&H? and unless the first had a death wish (can you have those if you're incorporeal?), why would it give the animal lawyers more power than itself? i mean, everyone's evil here...."curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

edit- animal lawyers = WR&H...hey, my mom says i'm witty.

edit #2- just have to mention, wasn't it great when angel and hamilton have been fighting for awhile, and angel's all bloody and breathing hard and hamilton straightens his barely-mussed suit....it was so telling, i was very worried....but it has hi-larious.

me

~Mal- "how drunk was i last night?"
~Jayne- "i don't know. i passed out."

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