New career for Palin ?
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Thursday, November 13, 2008 22:49
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Oh, and I *still* completely fail to see the insult in being offered a starring role in porn, frankly, I don't think I'm capable of even understanding WHY someone would be insulted, guess I lack the mental aberrations that would require... oh well.
Analogy: How about offering a really awesome, deliciously cooked meal of meat to someone you full well know is a vegan. Really rude.
Only with the added value that the vegans whose values she represents - and everyone else, too -will inevitably HAVE to picture her devouring that piece of meat, because they are biologically wired to do so. In a society where eating meat has long been - wrongly, yes, but no less factually - associated with denigration, immorality and an either/or relationship to intelligence and capability.
All that latter stuff wouldn't matter, though, if the offer hadn't been made full well knowing the person is a metaphorical vegan. It's not an offer in good faith, it's an offer made to make a point, and considering how the biologically-wired public is going to react, and they made sure they would know about it by sending the offer to her office, it seems likely to be a mean-spirited point.
I'm honestly wondering whether you have to have experienced what it's like to have to choose between sex and respect, but it's been real in not-too-recent past and it's still often real today. Seriously, reveal yourself as a sexual being to your male coworkers and in some places how they treat you really changes. Hell, don't even bother revealing, the sexual element can often immediately be part of what should be professional judgment.
"I would totally do you", not really flattering, coming from someone you associate with professionally, uttered in a "professional" context. It's eerily familiar to "Oh hey, you almost became VP! And btw, we want to see you naked in porn!" Making it a public offer is the wrong context, the same way a lewd sexual reference would be in an office environment. It puts the recipient in a spotlight about something private. Send the offer to her personal address where the public won't know about it and I'm your biggest fan! But this? Disrespectful.
If more women were in powerful positions of the kind she holds and maybe aspires to, this would be funny again, or public officials regardless of gender were made porn offers if they aren't awful-looking. But considering that there aren't, it just feels insulting. I don't think it's funny yet. It hopefully will be, one day.
God, I feel awful for going on about this. This was my last.. uh, speech on the subject.
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Actually, most of the reporting on MSNBC I heard, was pretty responsible. They all said that they couldn't corroboarate the claim, but that the information WAS coming from a Mccain insider, and wheter or not the story was true, what did this say of the campaign setting up in a circular firing squad.
I certainly at no point on these boards, have posted that she didn't know Africa was a continent. There are plenty of corroboratable stories of herincompitence to go with.
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AgentR, this is the part where I go "D'oh!", I didn't originally get that folk were taking it as a slam cause of HER values, not their own, and perhaps it is, in public context a little inappropriate, sure.
Still, not a lotta sympathy however given that part of that value set is tolerance and I didn't see a lotta that - kinda like watching a proclaimed vegan gnawing on bacon, it takes a chunk out of the credibility of the one claiming those values to see them not hold to em, but yeah nobody's perfect, so I get where you're coming from, sorry for bein dense.
I *DO* however understand the idiotic male reaction you describe, being a player of online games, it's almost pathetically funny to watch how FAST a bunch of male players are reduced to ignorant drooling cavemen with no manners the instant a female voice is heard, makes me wanna act a bit like a caveman myself and apply a club to em, yeah.
I get some weird offers myself at times, cause apparently I ping back gender-neutral to "gaydar" cause as stated, I don't have those kind of hangups and so there's no fear/flinch reaction, but I decline politely, or sharply in the case of them that can't take a hint, although I don't recall any of those offers offending me, the last guy made his pass while I was at the supermarket buyin eggs, which is a damned strange venue to begin with...
Anyhow, I take your point, even if it is quite difficult to wrap my head around.
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or public officials regardless of gender were made porn offers if they aren't awful-looking.
Goddamn, that'd be funny, hell, even if they WERE... can you imagine it ?
John Kerry starring in "It ain't just the face that's long, baby!"
Just... don't make that offer to Karl Rove, he'd likely take it!
Seriously, he's one of the kinkiest dudes in politics today, and it ain't exactly a secret neither, you'd really rather NOT know, ok ?
I say we proposition em all, fairs fair, right ?
Anyhow, I never initially saw it as any different than any other potential starring movie role, which is why this backblast confused me so.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Hello,
I completely agree that offering something to someone whose sensibilities would be offended by the offer is wrong.
At the same time, thanks to this discussion, I have a craving for a juicy steak followed by sex with a beautiful woman.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Steak ... or a really nice, sizzling hamburger with grilled onions, mushrooms, and melted American cheese on a sourdough bun ?
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Hello,
Ooooh, that too.
Both!
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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MMMMmmmmmmm ... steeaaaaaak ... haaaaamburrrgerrrr ...
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and considering how the biologically-wired public is going to react, and they made sure they would know about it by sending the offer to her office, it seems likely to be a mean-spirited point.
Sort of like saying someone "pals around with terrorists" is a mean-spirited thing to say to make the point that the biologically-wired public is going to associate with the statement.
Was the offer in poor taste, IF it even existed at all? Sure it was. But taste, like art, tends to be a bit subjective. What you find offensive, I may find funny as hell.
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Anyhow, I take your point, even if it is quite difficult to wrap my head around.
Oh! I'm glad I could communicate what I mean!
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I say we proposition em all, fairs fair, right ?
I'm all for fairness.
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and considering how the biologically-wired public is going to react, and they made sure they would know about it by sending the offer to her office, it seems likely to be a mean-spirited point.
Sort of like saying someone "pals around with terrorists" is a mean-spirited thing to say to make the point that the biologically-wired public is going to associate with the statement.
Yes, pretty much like that. Except the porn thing is a more direct insult whereas the terrorist line was a deceptive exaggeration. Both are unacceptable.
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Was the offer in poor taste, IF it even existed at all? Sure it was. But taste, like art, tends to be a bit subjective. What you find offensive, I may find funny as hell.
Good thing we're not required to agree, then.
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