KO on Prop 8
POSTED BY: Khyron
UPDATED: Friday, November 14, 2008 13:30
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Quote:How does allowing gays to have the same right to marriage break YOUR spirit? What does it take from YOU? How does it affect YOUR marriage? Are you being forced to marry a man?
I know that America is NOT supposed to be a PC Nazi state. Where I am forced to follow rules/laws that break my back and spirit.
Quote:You OTOH like to control the thoughts and feelings of others? Like gays who want to get married? Like pushing the notion of "self-responsibility" instead of "compassion"?Seems like your idea of "freedom" only runs in YOUR direction.
Its NOT supposed to try and control my thoughts/feelings/words/ideas.
Quote:And likewise, you cannot force your beliefs down other peoples' throats. Everything you've said, Wulf, contains inherent self-contradiction. YOU want things YOUR way and ONLY your way, and anything else is some form of tyranny. You don't seem to realize that you're tyrranizing others.
Its not a supposed to be a place where the ruling mafia can force its belief structure down my throat.
Whatever happened to "live and let live"?
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Quote:Just sayin'.
No, I don't think gays should get "married". They can have the same rights as married people under civil unions-Wulf
There's no discrimination here what so ever. You have no case.- Rapo
I just posted a whole laundry list of LEGAL differences between marriage and civil union/ domestic partnerhsip and you breeze right past it? If it's a fact you don't like, you ignore it?-Signy
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explain your position Rap. Equal protection under the law means what to you? That a gay guy is perfectly within his rights to marry a woman? I said it clearly, it is the spirit of the law that you are shitting on. You could say that this law is not discriminating, but you would be lying. Discrimination is the message. Disaproval is the message. Jesus, I swear you could just as easily be here defending separate but equal bathroom laws for gays and straights, if such a law passed. You must always take into account the spirit of the law, not just the frikken letter of it.
And what the hell does the 9th amendment mean o you? nothing? just kind of a throwaway that they needed to round out the Bill of Rights with?
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It doesn't mean a man can marry a man. That's for sure.
The people have spoken. Twice now. Get over it, move on.
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Wulf, you crazy motherfucker,
give me the practical application of why marriage cannot be performed between same-sex couples? If the only reason we pass the law is because we don't like the idea of it, then the intention of that law is very much discriminatory.
I think it's "HI-larious" by the way, that you pointed out that Germany is more free than us, a Nation which has Life-Partnerships uniformly across the nation. It's not marriage, but we can't boast that degree of freedom throughout the U.S., so I guess I have to give you that one. They must have stopped naming their children Wulfie over there.
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You truly have managed to twist shit around ridiculously in your head. You see somebody elses right to do what they want to as an infrinement of your right not to let them? Is that truly what you're saying here? Good God man!
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ohhh
is Rap out of all ideas but "majority rule"...
the Constitution will speak, and has over and over...you should get over it and move on.
by the way, those crazy librul judges that declared it unconstitutional last time? I think it was 7 out of 8 that were appointed by republicans.
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"Marriage" by definition is a RELIGIOUS institution.
I have never said that gays can't have a civil union or a "Life-Partnership". In fact, if they did, it would end this conversation.
Or would it?
Gays, and their supporters, want the churches and the "synagogues", temples, and whatever else to be forced to "marry" them.
I am against the government forcing religious institutions to go against THEIR BELIEFS.
If the church, or an religious institute believes that marrying a gay is a sin, then they should be allowed to practice that belief, and NOT MARRY THEM.
However, I DO NOT believe that gays shouldnt be allowed the same rights as a heterosexual couple under the the law.
One is a spiritual matter, the other is a law matter.
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if marriage by definition is a religious institution, then states have no business recognizing any marriages.
It is not though, and marriage predates Christianity, so that is not its origin.
We've been over this before Wulf. A church not only is within its rights not to marry a gay couple, it is within its rights, not to allow gays through its doors.
If a church wants to marry gay couples, would you step on the sepparation of church and state and mandate that it is disallowed?
you are quite aware I hope, that no government agency has stepped in and forced Catholic Churches to make women arch bishops?
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You know, it might be better if gays came up with their own "church".
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Quote:No, it is not. I got "married" in a courthouse. No clergy was involved, but nonetheless all of the rights and obligations of "marriage" came with it, including the ability to file joint federal taxes and have our union recognized in all 50 states.
"Marriage" by definition is a RELIGIOUS institution.
Quote:IF a "life partnership" COULD be created with all of the rights of marraige I'd be all for that. But that would require that ALL states change THEIR laws to agree to recognize "life partnerships" and Federal law would have to be changed as well. But it doesn't have to be that way, because the LEGAL definition of marriage exists and is recognized in all 50 states.
I have never said that gays can't have a civil union or a "Life-Partnership". In fact, if they did, it would end this conversation.
Quote:No, that is absolutely NOT TRUE. In fact, the vast majority of gay marriages performed in CA were performed at city halls etc. The gay marriages performed in church or synagogue were only performed when the cleric (of whatever faith) volunteered to bless the union.
Or would it? Gays, and their supporters, want the churches and the "synagogues", temples, and whatever else to be forced to "marry" them.
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