Would NeoCons be at home on Serenity?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, November 10, 2008 23:38
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Quote:You MUST confront the reality that many here get that from what you post, you MUST realize that you must take SOME credit for that, wanted or not.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I have to wonder what it is you've been reading.
Therapistisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:You MUST confront the reality that many here get that from what you post, you MUST realize that you must take SOME credit for that, wanted or not.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I have to wonder what it is you've been reading.
Therapistisall
As Inigo Montoaya kept saying to Vizzini ...
I do not believe that word means what you think it means
POINT ? Y'all might be reading my post, but you sure as heck aren't getting my meaning.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:
You sultry minx.
Well, HEY ! - I'm exactly like Zoe - just a little paler, shorter, older, dumpier, with grey hair and trifocals and out of shape ... so other than that ...
Bless you, Rue - by that logic, I'm Mal!
It was like that when we got here!
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Originally posted by rue:
:looks down at ground, scuffs feet:
Well, I could be ... I could ...
At the risk of sounding trite, Rue, cherish your inner Zoe...I'm taking my inner Mal out for pizza later...
It was like that when we got here!
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
Chris, I sympathize. I had the same crisis with Piratenews. I decided that his stupidities had to be challenged, that his vile racism had to be opposed. He is the only person on these boards who has ever upset me to the point that I railed unkindly (at least as far as I can recall) and lost control of my temper.
I don't think I had one iota of impact. Someone else, unseen by me, shared some quieter words with the man. That seems to have improved his disposition. Though I suspect the root of who he is cannot be cured, because it's who he is. There will always be a Nazi Jew lurking just around the corner of that man's mind, sacrificing virgins to Moloch in Bohemian Grove.
You can't demand that people change. In fact, the harder you push, the less likely they are to change. They are forced into a defensive posture where they entrench themselves. Once you're defending yourself, the logic of your arguments means less than winning does. It must be some side effect of the survival instinct, twisted by the computer of the human brain.
Speak gently. Argue well, but calmly. And when your opponent begins to change his mind, don't leap in his face and laugh at him. Or accuse him of being wishy-washy. Encourage him kindly, warmly, into the fold.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
Anthony - why do you not take Book for your avatar? There are several voices in this forum I respect, but yours is always the most measured, reasoned, and - generally-speaking - forgiving. I aspire to the same, but my petty passions most always get the better of me.
It was like good examples were thin on the ground when we got here!
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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
There are several voices in this forum I respect, but yours is always the most measured, reasoned, and - generally-speaking - forgiving.
Seconded.
The explosive Chrisisall
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Hello,
Thank you, gentlemen. That was very kind of you to say.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by WASHnwear:
There are several voices in this forum I respect, but yours is always the most measured, reasoned, and - generally-speaking - forgiving.
Seconded.
Thanks , Anthony...
What Wash-y and Chris said...
Thirded , even Amen-ded...Though not amended...
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
From another thread:
AURaptor:
That's what governments are for. To get in a man's way - Captain Mal Reynolds
Chrisisall:
Oh, but it hasn't been for getting in a man's way during the past administration, just the upcoming one, right?
I have no illusions; Malcolm Reynolds would have little use for me, he'd see me as dreamer- someone with unrealistic hopes for what government could do FOR it's peeps, but YOU...
He'd flat out view you as an Alliance toady, and you can't even see that. What do you think? If you could talk to Mal, you think he'd see you as some sort of independent? The way you spout off against freedom? The way you back up the neo-fascist curtailing of civil & international human rights? The way you rationalize every Republican-initiated military adventure?
Face it AU, you're a regular Hands Of Blue kinda guy. Until you wake up & smell what you shovel, the only person from the Firefly 'verse you could hold a lasting conversation with would be Jubal Early, and that would be mainly 'cause he likes to hear himself talk.
Would Mal see a Conservative as some some sort of Independent? Most certainly not! Inside of ten minutes Mal would understand that the kind of freedom a Conservative talks about has nothing to with freedom from oppression and persecution, or human rights, but that he's just talking about the freedom to accumulate as much wealth as he can, having to share it with as few people as possible. Mal, however, has folks with him who do for each other and ain't always looking for the advantage. Mal would see right through the 'freedom' speech!
What especially distinguishes Neo-Conservatism from 'regular' Conservatism, is that, in international affairs, the former prefer an interventionist approach that seeks to defend national interests. Hence, the 'rationalizing of every Republican-initiated military adventure.' They love to meddle. They absolutely love for their government to get in a man's way: just not their way.
I think a Neo-Conservatist would probably feel most at home on Osiris, or in the Ariel hospital, where everybody's making embarrassingly large stacks of money, and always smiling. Mal said: "Y'all got on this boat for different reasons, but y'all come to the same place." So, while I cannot fathom the reason why a Neo-Conservatist would want to be on Mal's boat, I respect the fact that he is.
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
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