Would NeoCons be at home on Serenity?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, November 10, 2008 23:38
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Quote:Okay, I generalized the thread title.
Originally posted by asarian:
Also, in earnest, this thread is just a mite too ad hominem for me.
Chrisisall
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Hello,
Chris, I disagree with you.
Here is a man who disagrees with you on many issues. He thinks he is right, and he thinks you are wrong. He is stubborn in his opinions. Maybe he thinks he is perfect and anyone who doesn't agree with him is a madman.
Whatever.
You don't go equating him with Nazis and Child Molesters.
You don't go telling him he doesn't belong on this boat.
You don't go pretending that you had no choice but to create this thread or leave the boards.
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, Serenity has been home to Jerks who don't get along and don't agree on much of anything. No one ever got exiled for having diametrically opposed opinions, or being a moron, or feeling superior. They only got banished from the dinner table for being rude to a fellow shipmate.
If this was that dinner table, there'd be darn few of us left.
We all belong on Serenity. It's not even a ship. It's a place you carry with you for as long as you believe. We don't even have to all believe in the same thing. We just have to believe in something. So says the good Book.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:I DIDN'T!!! I used the clearest examples of political beliefs that wouldn't be acceptable here, Causal seemed to indicate we should be embracing whatever came along.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
You don't go equating him with Nazis and Child Molesters.
Quote:WHAT???
You don't go telling him he doesn't belong on this boat.
Reading is fundamental:
"As someone else said, AU is a member of this crew...sorta like family...and if ya can't occasionally beat up your little brother for doin' something STUPID, well then, what's family for?"
Quote:We are just full of high horse today...I didn't PRETEND anything, I stated that those were my reactions, and those were my reactions to have. If they were the choices I was going to make, how does that even concern you? Should I accuse you of pretending to have no other choice than to accuse me of pretending to have no other choice?
You don't go pretending that you had no choice but to create this thread or leave the boards.
Puh-leeze.
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Hello,
I had the choice to stay quiet or speak. Those really were the only two choices.
A lot of shivs get shoved into a lot of people here in the name of good fun, but I think a lot of them are neither good nor fun. You can tell when there's good natured ribbing going on, because when there is, everyone is laughing.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:And to that I say: fair enough.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I had the choice to stay quiet or speak. Those really were the only two choices.
Quote:This is not entirely one of those times. I want to DEMAND that a fellow Browncoat examine his beliefs, his motives, in the (possibly vain) hope that he see the needless extremism of his views. If AU likes Mal so much, then why does he not listen to him when he says:
A lot of shivs get shoved into a lot of people here in the name of good fun,
"I've given some thought to moving off the edge. Not an ideal location. Might get a place in the middle."?
(?)Chrisisall
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Hello,
Chris, I sympathize. I had the same crisis with Piratenews. I decided that his stupidities had to be challenged, that his vile racism had to be opposed. He is the only person on these boards who has ever upset me to the point that I railed unkindly (at least as far as I can recall) and lost control of my temper.
I don't think I had one iota of impact. Someone else, unseen by me, shared some quieter words with the man. That seems to have improved his disposition. Though I suspect the root of who he is cannot be cured, because it's who he is. There will always be a Nazi Jew lurking just around the corner of that man's mind, sacrificing virgins to Moloch in Bohemian Grove.
You can't demand that people change. In fact, the harder you push, the less likely they are to change. They are forced into a defensive posture where they entrench themselves. Once you're defending yourself, the logic of your arguments means less than winning does. It must be some side effect of the survival instinct, twisted by the computer of the human brain.
Speak gently. Argue well, but calmly. And when your opponent begins to change his mind, don't leap in his face and laugh at him. Or accuse him of being wishy-washy. Encourage him kindly, warmly, into the fold.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:Sometimes it's hard not to laugh, but yeah, I hear ya. For what it's worth, on subjects other than politics, he's a genuinely likable fellow.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Speak gently. Argue well, but calmly. And when your opponent begins to change his mind, don't leap in his face and laugh at him. Or accuse him of being wishy-washy. Encourage him kindly, warmly, into the fold.
To me, politics is not about taking sides & winning, it's about how to get things done (or un-done, as the case may be). To that end, a staunch support of only ONE side defeats that purpose, IMO. If, for instance, Jayne is right, Kaylee is left, and Mal is center, that should show folks that we can use all facets of ways to keep her in the air, no?
Iknowit'sjustashowisall
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Well reasoned, Anthony, I was about to mention PN myself, given that as I can and have had quite rational discussions with the dude, comparatively.
I tend to be fairly verbally aggressive myself, but that's just how I am, and no one is immune to a little chops busting at my hands.
And, back to this bit...
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if ya can't occasionally beat up your little brother for doin' something STUPID, well then, what's family for?
ROFLMAO, sooo wrong yet sooo right...
*takes Chris off to the side, jacks a pillowcase over his head and beats the snot outta him*
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:*staggers into a Drunken-Boxing stance
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
*takes Chris off to the side, jacks a pillowcase over his head and beats the snot outta him*
then falls over*
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Quote:Wrong. No where near my
Originally posted by asarian:
Well, AURaptor ain't no friend of mine: he's a rabid Republican who looks on anyone who isn't wealthy and successful as lazy and a deadbeat.
philosophy. I have to wonder what it is you've been reading. Certainly not MY post.
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But if that's the measure to gauge unwelcomeness by, then half the population of the US would be unwelcome on Mal's boat. Perfection, near as I recall, was never a requirement even for Mal's crew itself. Like the man said: "If everything were right, we'd be in jail." That's the nature of the Serenity crew.
Also, in earnest, this thread is just a mite too ad hominem for me. Way I figure this, ain't a matter of whether or not he'd be welcome on the crew, as he's already on the crew. So, why we're still talking 'bout this?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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