Caleb vs. Hamilton
POSTED BY: ShadowVessel
UPDATED: Monday, June 7, 2004 06:11
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Nevermind the obvious simularities between the two. Mal. Jayne. They both have the ancient power of their masters running through their veins, which tends to be the same thing: strength, speed, invulnerability. So, if the two faced off, who'd walk away the victor? The minion of The First or the laison to The Wolf, Ram, and Hart?
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Just to be on the safe side, since I'm going to discuss the finale . . .
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My money would be on Hamilton. It seemed that the only way to defeat Hamilton was to use his own power against him, whereas Buffy was ultimately able to take out Caleb, even if she did have to use a magic weapon. In other words, Buffy was stronger than Caleb, but Angel only defeated Hamilton once he possessed Hamilton's powers. Plus, Hamilton was taller and had better clothes.
Now, here's the real question, why did all the Firefliers who appeared in the Buffyverse die there -- Caleb/Mal, Hamilton/Jayne, Jasmine/Zoe, and even Ballerina/River, though she wasn't all evil-like.
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WESLEY : Feng shui.
GUNN: Right. What's that mean again?
WESLEY: That people will believe anything.
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he's talller and has better clothes....delia, that was the BEST!
me
~Mal- "how drunk was i last night?"
~Jayne- "i don't know. i passed out."
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Originally posted by cageybee:
he's talller and has better clothes....delia, that was the BEST!
Thanks. Don't even get me started on the hair issue. Caleb's hair did what I thought was impossible -- it took Nathan Fillion right up to the edge of unattractive.
Delia
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WESLEY : Feng shui.
GUNN: Right. What's that mean again?
WESLEY: That people will believe anything.
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Since they "both have the ancient power of their masters running through their veins" it is really of a matter of who is more powerful, Wolfram & Hart or the First Evil. Once you figure that out and you'll have your answer. Personally I'd put my money on the minion of the First Evil.
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I'd have to watch tonight's Angel episode again to be sure (with a pen and notebook this time), but I'm pretty sure Hamilton had an IDENTICAL line to one of Caleb's, something about how big and powerful his side is and how You Should Just Give Up. The WB is re-running it on Tuesday (I think), so I'll be sure and record it for posterity.
To answer the question... we never fully understood the size or depth of Hamilton's power. We DID understand completely what Caleb could do, and where we came from... and what he was.
Only a magical weapon could destroy Caleb. And forgive the spoiler (if it is one), but Hamilton died of a broken neck. Heck, even AFTER Buffy whacked Caleb with the magic axe, she had to cut him in half before he stayed down.
Although, let us remember-- Hamilton was the MUCH bigger pimp.
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I went back and watched the last couple of episodes of Buffy and realized something else: Caleb had agility going for him, too. Hamilton was pretty much a stiff juggernaut (please, no inuendo intended). It's kind of like the question of what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object.
The arguement could also be made that the reason Caleb had to be killed with a magical weapon and Hamilton died of a broken neck was because of the circumstances. Angel had no magical weapon. It's entirely possible a magical weapon couldn't have killed him. Buffy wasn't strong enough to break Caleb's neck. Maybe it couldn't be, either. It's kind of like Superman. Pit him against the Joker and he's an unstoppable juggernaut. Bring in someone else from Krypton and you've got an even match and the possibility of a broken neck coming about. This is what happened with Angel. After drinking Hamilton's blood and therefore absorbing his massive power, you've got a couple of Kryptonians throwin' down. Had Buffy absorbed the full demon power the priests tried to push on her, maybe she would've snapped Caleb's neck. And with Angel's fangs piercing Hamilton's neck it's also possible that a well placed scythe could've disembowled him, too.
And it's hard to see who would be more powerful out of The First and The Senior Partners. On the surface it looks like The Wolf, Ram, and Hart. They run everything. But, maybe they're just better manipulaters. Plus there's three of them. The First, however, was the first evil that all other evil spawned from. Heh, heh. I wonder if The First, The Senior Partners, and Illyria ever hung out? Kind of off-subject, but I'd love to know the back-story between Illyria, WR&H, Hamilton, and Drojen (did I spell that right?).
So you see my dillema. Caleb or Hamilton? The world may never know.
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>>he's talller and has better clothes<<
"Dress for Less"...Connor
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Funny how all of the Firefly actors that were recast elsewhere in the Buffyverse, they were all stronger than Buffy and Angel, and all required special circumstances to be brought down.
I'd have to go with Jasmine. She actually was a Power-That-Was-And-Was-About-To-Be-Again, whereas Caleb and Hamilton were vessels of the First and the Senior Partners, respectively. Jasmine was using her own strength, and she wasn't even up to full power yet. Plus, maybe her charm spell would work on Caleb and Hamilton. I don't remember the criteria, because it didn't affect regular vampires but it did affect Angel and the creatures from that other dimension - probably souled beings. Caleb probably still had his soul, but we don't know if Hamilton ever did.
Too bad we'll never get to see Alan come and kick some ass in Sunnydale, wearing the Hawaiian shirt and mustache. It would have been nice if he had made it into the circle of the black thorn.
I mock you with my monkey pants
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