Indiana Jones And The Lost City Of Jaded Fans

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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CHRISISALL

Monday, October 20, 2008 9:13 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

It took the preoccupation of both it's current timelines: Nazi's in the case of Raiders, and Aliens in the case of the Crystal Skull, and blended them with a relevant ancient history.

Yes, yes, well put Som.

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CHRISISALL

Monday, October 20, 2008 9:16 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I still think Indy 4 is closer to good than bad, but that doesn't mean that flaws cannot be discussed.

Obviously you are not part of the Lost City Of Jaded Fans, just a critical observer, then.

At least the CGI groundhogs didn't laugh or burp, eh?

isall

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 20, 2008 9:24 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

2) No sense of danger. In all the other movies, there was always a feeling of real danger toward the characters.

I see where you get this, Story, and even agree to a degree...the staged thing you mention seemed to me a result of over-planning, like they had to make the live action match the animated storyboards too slavishly. On-the-spot creativity suffered some, IMO. But again, this is the way of big-budget flicks in general today. "They don't make 'em like they used to" is true mostly, Joss not included there...

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MSB

Monday, October 20, 2008 9:47 PM

Hey I liked the groundhogs... they're cute:)

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STORYMARK

Monday, October 20, 2008 9:48 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I see where you get this, Story, and even agree to a degree...the staged thing you mention seemed to me a result of over-planning, like they had to make the live action match the animated storyboards too slavishly. On-the-spot creativity suffered some, IMO. But again, this is the way of big-budget flicks in general today. "They don't make 'em like they used to" is true mostly, Joss not included there...

I think you've got a good point, there.

Which is odd, in this case. Spielberg, when he made the original Indy movies, was the king of pre-planning. He knew what he was going to shoot long before getting there. He used storyboards out the wazoo. So, he's shown himself capable of producing something organic, even with that degree of planning.

However, he pretty much abandoned that style when he did Saving Private Ryan, opting to choose his shots much more on-the-fly, and continued to work in that manner, since.

With this Indy, it seems he went back to that old style, but couldn't quite get the feel for it that he used to have.

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Monday, October 20, 2008 9:49 PM

groundhog lover

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:04 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Spielberg, when he made the original Indy movies, was the king of pre-planning. He knew what he was going to shoot long before getting there.

I'm thinking that sword fight from Raiders- which turned into a gunshot pretty quick on the fly, and provided us with the series best funny moment.
They used to be able to deviate from the plan...

Overthinking Chrisisall

REGINAROADIE

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:33 AM

I'm with you on this one, chris.

In my write-up for the summer, I listed it as "The One People Had A Problem With, But I Liked". I'd rehash why I felt it was as worthy as the first three, but you pretty much nailed it on the head. And your off-key moment was the only moment I had as well that made me cringe. Did it ruin my appreciation of the film? No. Is it better than RAIDERS or LAST CRUSADE? No. Is it better than TEMPLE OF DOOM (which both fans and filmmakers agree that it was a very dark misstep that even an amazing third act couldn't absolve)? Arguably yes.

I just think that when it comes to Lucas, I think nothing short of him being burnt at the stake or crucified will quench the bloodlust from the STAR WARS fans, which I do not count myself as anymore because of them.

I always saw STAR WARS as more of a generational thing. I think I only saw the original trilogy a handful of times when I was really young, so I don't remember the tiny details that so many older fans obsess about. Like Han shooting first instead of Greedo. I always saw this as a non-issue, and yet everyone was willing to cry foul over this. I saw the revised trilogy when I was 12, so to me Greedo always shot first. And the prequels were no better or worse than the original trilogy.

But when all you hear about something you like is that it's an abomination that shits all over a holy text and that one man has personally raped numerous generations of their childhood, you tend to resent and feel left out from the people who will not shut up and who take it far too seriously, which in turn turns you off of the very thing you like. When every commentary track for an episode of SPACED devolves into Edgar Wright and the guest commentator frothing at the mouth over the prequels, the first few times it's funny, but after a while it gets disheartening, which makes Jessica Stevensons comments that it wasn't that bad a breath of fresh air.

George Lucas didn't rape my childhood. It's the legion of bitter, jaded and cynical fanboys and their overblown complaining that did it for me.

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TWO

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:43 AM

"Let me just say that a hell of a lot of love and heart went into Frank Darabont’s rejected 'Indiana Jones and the City of Gods' script. There is NO question that his script would have been THE film Indy fans were waiting for. There is also NO question about its superiority of craftsmanship over Koepp’s or most likely any other draft." - Quote from http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/06/50-strengths-of-darabonts
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The MysteryManOnFilm blog gives 50 reasons why "City of the Gods" is a better script than "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull." Too, too bad that George Lucas went with a different screenwriter. You can read the screenplay for "City of the Gods" to decide for yourself. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Purported_Indiana_Jones_4_original_screenpla
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SINGATE

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:49 AM

Reginaroadie,

You have completely nailed so many things I have been saying for years. I don't have a problem with people criticizing Lucas or anyone else. As far as I'm concerned everything should be able to stand critical analysis. God knows there are problems with the prequels and with this last Indy movie. My major gripe is that so many people nowadays are absolutely consumed with not only pointing out legimate faults, but also picking apart every last detail so that they cannot admit there is even a shred of quality to the film or TV show in question. I'm really at a loss to explain this phenomenon. Is it modern cynicism? Hatred? Perhaps the need to prove that the critic's taste is so evolved and enlightend that almost nothing is good enough for him/her?

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