NRA anti Obama ads......is this true?
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UPDATED: Thursday, October 16, 2008 18:20
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All of my rants are generalist - trust me, if I go rippin someones head off in the specific, there's utterly no doubt about it.
I was however, smacking your hand a bit cause it's a damn fool thing to go all offensive like that without at least an effort to educate first.
Remember that our public education system has so warped any teachings of our history that most folk have a pretty distorted concept of what much of the Constitution means, in spite of it being very clearly worded to avoid this.
I would suggest taking a page from Anthony and hearing folk out, finding out why and where they disagree and addressing those points clearly instead of lighting up the flamethrower, cause there's a difference between misunderstanding the concept and nature of a thing, which can be corrected - and willfully distorting it.
As a general rule, I confirm the latter before firing off salvos, yanno ?
I took the Oath too, and that was kind of the root of much of my disagreement with the military, as they continued violating it on an ever widening scale, and handing me that survey was a capper - although it was a payroll dispute in the end that send me to IRR for all eternity.
They reneged on the college money, which was damn rare back then, but occasionally happened, and has become increasingly common now - considering what that did to my educational opportunities, I tend to hold a grudge.
And, that wasn't the typical weaseling, that was an outright violation of my DD-4 enlistment contract which in effect, broke it - thus the solution of eternal IRR, by the obscure rules of the service, preventing me from addressing that legally.
Oh the irony of holding me to an Oath that ensures my stance in regard to them is generally hostile, although I will service it as much as able in the case of civil emergency, which around here would be flooding - I can still fill sandbags, even old and gimpy that I am.
And yes, I find jug-ears despicable for his stealthy assault on the 2A, but that's all too typical of congress these days, and makes me value that punk Dingell in spite of wanting to rip his spine out over the bailout, cause Ding-Bat does respect the 2A a helluva lot more than most.
That's where we roadblock Obamalama, see, with OUR reps, and if yours ain't with the program, boot em the hell outta there.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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There's been a lot of talk about the 2d Amendment and Obama said this and McCain said that, but can anyone answer me this:
Can the President of the United States change, veto or ratify an amendment to the Constitution?
Just curious if anyone knows this for sure?
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Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.
There is a difference.Quote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Is that clear enough for you?
Bozobama is the most rabid gun grapper to come down the pike since Sarah Brady. His record speaks.
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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
There's been a lot of talk about the 2d Amendment and Obama said this and McCain said that, but can anyone answer me this:
Can the President of the United States change, veto or ratify an amendment to the Constitution?
Just curious if anyone knows this for sure?
Simple answer: No. Which is why I alluded to it in my first response on this thread. As President, Obama, McCain, Palin, or whoever is in charge can WANT to outlaw guns all they want. But without a specific Amendment nullifying the Second Amendment, they can't actually DO it. And Constitutional Amendments are damned hard to come by, because it takes a hell of a lot of will and agreement to get one up for a vote.
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
There's been a lot of talk about the 2d Amendment and Obama said this and McCain said that, but can anyone answer me this:
Can the President of the United States change, veto or ratify an amendment to the Constitution?
Just curious if anyone knows this for sure?
Simple answer: No. Which is why I alluded to it in my first response on this thread. As President, Obama, McCain, Palin, or whoever is in charge can WANT to outlaw guns all they want. But without a specific Amendment nullifying the Second Amendment, they can't actually DO it. And Constitutional Amendments are damned hard to come by, because it takes a hell of a lot of will and agreement to get one up for a vote.
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Yep. It's just scare tactics, to get certain single-issue voters in line. And it seems to work.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Uncle Toms can't allow slaves to own guns on the plantation.
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New Orleans Mayor Admits Illegal Gun Confiscation
National Rifle Association of America
October 14, 2008
Fairfax, VA-After a three-year legal battle over the unconstitutional confiscation of lawfully owned firearms, the City of New Orleans has agreed to settle a law suit by the National Rifle Association (NRA). A permanent injunction has been issued against the city, Mayor Ray Nagin and current Police Chief Warren Riley. The Second Amendment Foundation assisted NRA in the legal battle against Mayor Ray Nagin and the City of New Orleans.
“Today’s outcome is an important victory for the citizens of New Orleans and the Second Amendment,” said Wayne LaPierre, NRA’s executive vice president. “We fought for three long years in a fundamental legal challenge to assert the inherent self-defense rights for law-abiding citizens, knowing the Constitution would prevail. Today it has prevailed and freedom has won.”
Judge Carl J. Barbier presided over the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana. Judge Barbier signed the permanent injuncation against the City of New Orleans. The city admitted the firearm confiscations carried out by Nagin and Riley were unconstitutional and illegal.
Under the terms of the injunction, Mayor Ray Nagin, Police Chief Warren Riley and any agents or employees of the City of New Orleans shall:
· cease and desist confiscating lawfully-possessed firearms from all citizens;
· make an aggressive attempt to return any and all firearms which may have been confiscated during the period August 29 to December 31, 2005;
· within one month of the settlement, post on the City website the procedure for the return of confiscated firearms. This notice must include an interactive form for those claiming firearms to fill out, resulting in timely transmission of the information to the appropriate official. All other information on claiming a firearm will also be included on the site.
· within one month of the settlement, the City must mail notices to all individuals who are identified on the property tags of firearms in the City’s possession which were confiscated during the aftermath of Katrina.
“On behalf of the lawful gun owners of New Orleans, NRA is pleased with this outcome,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA’s chief lobbyist. “We thank Judge Barbier for his leadership and constitutional scholarship in presiding over our lawsuit. NRA will continue to aid however we can in the full return of all the firearms confiscated by the City.”
www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=11653
These guns were seized from affluent white folks in their homes untouched by floods or loss of power.
5,000 poor blacks were summarily executed in the streets under martial law. 100,000 blacks were forcibly deported out of state, and never allowed to return to their homes, which were then stolen. All part of the ethnic clensing by Jewish robber barons.
Hussein Obama is a black man's worst nightmare in the White House.
www.obamacrimes.com
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
The Constitution is meaningless if Obama gets the chance to load up the Supreme Court with liberal judges. The recent Heller decision was a 5-4 vote. You really think an Obama appointed judge would have voted with the majority. I can't believe you are willing to just resign yourself to the reinstatement of the "Assault Rifle Ban" when there's something you can easily do about it in the voting booth.
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Even Kwicko is honest enough to admit the a new gun ban is inevitable in a Obama administration.
Kirk, I think you missed the part where I pointed out that the latest Assault Weapons Ban was a REPUBLICAN-sponsored bill. My point is that we're almost assuredly screwed no matter WHO wins, since it's a safe bet that it's NOT going to be Dr. Paul. I might be "resigned" to it, but that doesn't mean I'm giving up; I'm writing my Congresspeople to demand that they stand up and strongly support MY rights, not just the rights of their rich donors.
As for the Supreme Court, that is a major concern. One thing that should be noted, however - Supreme Court justices have a habit of not really finding themselves beholden to the Presidents who appoint them, nor to anyone else, really. Once they're appointed, they don't owe allegiance to anyone or anything except the United States Constitution, and as such, have often found themselves at odds with the people who thought they had those Justices all figured out. Once in a while they'll vex the hell out of a president.
Will Obama try to stack the Court with anti-gun nominees if he gets the chance? Probably, to some extent. It's incumbent ON US to make sure that shit doesn't fly. When we the people speak loudly and boisterously enough, our Representatives and Senators find it in their best interests to listen. And unsuitable SCOTUS nominees find themselves "Borked".
It IS a valid concern, but I don't see much in McCain's record that really me much hope, either. He's been pretty staunchly anti-gun when he's had the chance, too.
If this is the ONLY issue you're voting on, your best bet is to write in Ron Paul, or stay home and not vote at all, because neither of the major-party candidates have your Second Amendment rights high on their list of things to protect.
Mike
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Who the fuck says I am willing to hand em over, Kirk ?
Nobody, that's who - keep holding a grudge if ya like, but while I distrust Jug-ears for very valid reasons, his opposition doesn't seem to have any respect for multiple amendments, particularly the fourth, and I doubt their respect for the 2A as well.
So what to do but pull for the guy less dangerous and blockade him from actually doing any of this crap, we do not have to LET them, you know.
Neither one of these pissants has a proper respect for our rights, and it's well past due that we reminded em - and since we need to do that, the course of wisdom is to get someone a little more bendable and less beholden to the party line in place, and then bend em for all we're worth.
As for everything else, like I said, if yer not gonna defend em all, what's the point of defending one ?
Either you ain't heard a word I said in a week and more, or you just ain't listenin if you have the idea that imma hand over ANY rights, yours, mine, or even those of folks I hate and think use them badly - cause to me they are universal, unless we ALL have em, no one really does.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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