A blow for Palin fans everywhere....
POSTED BY: MrBlueSun
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 18:46
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's lie, lies & more lies!! It ain't true, I tell ya...and, uh, even if it IS, she did what she thought was right, just like President Bush always does!! Laws apply only to average citizens- good leaders have to know how to get around them to get the good works done!
She is great * can do no wrong in the eyes of the dear & fluffy Lord.
I have spokenisall
Gov Palin acted in a proper and lawful manner. What about that don't you get? All the rest is merely political muck racking, and nothing more. Props to her for standing up to a guy who tazered a FREAKING 10 YR OLD! Smacks of what you folks keeping whining about as ' torture '. But when someone does something about it, you side w/ the dirt bags ???
Color me not shocked.
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Rapo, you're not getting the essential parts of the story. You're parsing facts (again) and picking only the parts you want to hear. There were twoparts to the enquiry: Did she exceed her authority, and did she abuse her authority?
Governor Pailin did not exceed her authority. In other words, as Governor, she had the AUTHORITY to fire (Public Safety Commissioner) Walt Monegan. That was the "proper and lawful" act.
However the REASON for the firing was at least partly personal, and that was where she abused the authority that she had.
Get it now?
Quote:ETA: THe guy she fired did not taser anyone. He wasn't a policeman in the field at all, he was the Commissioner. Your post betrays a complete conflation of information into a useless jumble of factoids and spin.
Props to her for standing up to a guy who tazered a FREAKING 10 YR OLD!
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For Aurap and Jonstraw,
Did the trooper have a casefile of police brutality investigations, all unsustained, were there a number of reports on record from citizens accusing him of this sort of behavior, that was being ignored by the commisioner she eventually fired?
Is there strong evidence that he was shirking his duty by not firing the trooper in question? This is a genuine question, because I don't have those facts myself, and I'm wondering, since you both know so much about the details, if either of you do, and if you could clarify that for me,
because if the commisioner had no cause to terminate the trooper, aside of the governor and her spouse telling him the guy was a bad cop , then he would have been just as guilty of abuse of authority, had he complied with their demands, right?
But a bipartisan panel found that she did in-fact abuse her authority, so it doesn't sound quite so like a political witch hunt to me, or are most of those republicans up there commie republicans because they are so close to russia?
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And I'm not sure what's to admire about the Palin's handling of this case. At first she said she welcomed the investigation, and then her and her handlers put great effort into getting it halted, stalled, dismissed...etc.
What a vast melting glacier of integrity they have to stand on.
by the way Jong,
that's an asshole thing to say, that we would celebrate if Palin dropped her baby. You talk to many of us on a regular basis.
I would never think the same of you, just because you lean republican dude...wow
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Just to ad,
if Palin did abuse her power,as has been decided by a bipartisan panel, yes I'm fucking thrilled that it has been discovered.
You have the chicken and the egg shit all mixed up Jong.
The very fact that Mccain picked a woman who was clearly not fully vetted says that he isn't country first, the very fact that Palin was cited as abusing her power and in all likelyhood did so is why I'm thrilled to see it come out. I wouldn't want the woman unfairly maligned,
but fairly characterized? You betcha
even while I was greatly amused by her inability to answer questions at her interviews(I was more offended, and even a little frightened) and part of me wanted the damn campaign to end at her debate, because she's already convinced me that she isn't capable of holding such a high office, I was actually somewhat happy that she got out of the debate with a slightly bolstered image. I think she was dragged into something over her head, and the lib in me truly started feeling sorry for her.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's lie, lies & more lies!! It ain't true, I tell ya...and, uh, even if it IS, she did what she thought was right, just like President Bush always does!! Laws apply only to average citizens- good leaders have to know how to get around them to get the good works done!
She is great * can do no wrong in the eyes of the dear & fluffy Lord.
I have spokenisall
There you go being all impishy again. I have a long-treasured Mxylptlyk Halloween costume, complete with green hat and cane of mischief, kept mint since 1966. Would you care to borrow it? I trust you.
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Quote:I thought that was a bit over the top as well.
Originally posted by Righteous9:
by the way Jong,
that's an asshole thing to say, that we would celebrate if Palin dropped her baby.
Look, EITHER Palin has no faith in law, due process, or or government in general (which would make her unfit to hold a high position in the government), or there's no real case against the trooper, only Palin's intense dislike of an arguably irritating dude ( which would make her unfit to hold a high position in the government).
So which is it?
Basically, I think she's unfit to hold a high position in the government, but then wtf do I know- I said the same about Bush, and look how good he worked out for us all.
Chrisisall
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So the report concluded that Palin acted within proper and lawful authority to fire a person she found to be unworthy of the state position because of her understanding of how he conducted his job in dealing with him in the past. It’s a non-issue. Palin, as governor, is within her authority to decide that an appointed state official is not up to the task.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Oh those pesky technicalities....she was within her authority to fire Walt Monegan, who in turn was within his authority NOT to fire Mike Wooten.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Palin, as governor, is within her authority to decide that an appointed state official is not up to the task.
But see, if she WASN'T within her authority, then the same action would have been WRONG, right?
Your objectivity is so subjective, Finn. You need a court case & a jury decision to label an obvious misuse of power as such. And even then you might label the decision as dubious.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So the report concluded that Palin acted within proper and lawful authority to fire a person she found to be unworthy of the state position because of her understanding of how he conducted his job in dealing with him in the past. It’s a non-issue. Palin, as governor, is within her authority to decide that an appointed state official is not up to the task.
-- Cicero
Ditto. Non issue. Palin vindicated.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:I think it’s your objectivity that is question here, as usual. Let’s look at this from a different point of view. I work in a certain department with several colleagues. Several of whom I personally don’t like, and one of which I found to be in opposition to the direction I think the department should go. Then one day I become department head. One of the first things that I’m going to do is make sure that everyone working under me is going to play ball, and if they don’t, I’m going to fire them. That’s my authority granted to me by my position, because that’s my job. Then someone come along and decides that since they don’t like my point of view of how the department should be run, they’ll ignore the pertinent issue that I had reason to believe that this person wasn’t going to work out in my department, and instead focus on the irrelevant issue that I personally didn’t like the guy. It don't change the fact that I did my job correctly.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Your objectivity is so subjective, Finn. You need a court case & a jury decision to label an obvious misuse of power as such. And even then you might label the decision as dubious.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Palin is found to have abused her powers, violated state ethics and lied about it.
Why am I not surprised that Republicans don't have a problem with that?
Edit: By the way, the McCain/Palin ticket now features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.
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