Boycott Gas on May 19th
POSTED BY: DucesTecum
UPDATED: Saturday, May 22, 2004 03:40
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
and *real* too!
Can you imagine writing *fun*, *real*, and the truth?!
Well, at least you can imagein itQuote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
No, it just points to the glaringly apparent need that we just need new and better conspiracy theories.
and actually, The US, Russia, Iran, Mexico, Norway, China, Venezuela, Canada, and the UK (none Gulf states) all produce more barrels per day than Iraq.
The US alone produces 3 times more than Iraq...Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Let me get this straight...
The USA invades and occupies the richest oil producing country on the planet... and oil prices go up?
Somehow it seems to me we are very, very, gullable. Hoaxes asside.
Wow, you are just full of fun facts!
Yeah, well you are correct. I'm not disputing your facts. But you don't seem to get the point. The point being it doesn't take a conspiracy theory to realize that no matter what happens, including the West controling more oil than it has ever before in history, the people will still be milked.
The point being, we are being ripped off. Ripped off and sold out.
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You are right, I do *not* get it. Every single one of us has the option to *not* drive, to *not* use oil. We burden and strap ourselves to this dependency. No one is getting held hostage and told to buy and drive their automobile (gas guzzling or otherwise)
But if one does make the choice to use new technology and machinery - and continue to use it en masse with abandonment. Who is to blame? With some exceptions, its the whim of the consumer and the market forces that drive the prices (Enron bastards). If you are continually willing to buy it at $2.50/gal, $3.00/gal, or $5.00/gal, apparently, it is *worth* that price. No one is putting a gun to your head and saying "buy this gas at $10.00/gal".
If you don't want it, don't buy it.
Here's my point, stupid people get sold out, intelligent people make the *damned* choices and live with it - no regrets, intelligent people find out how they aren't going to be "f*cked at the drive-thru" next time.
Even though we never seem to agree on one damn thing, from what I've read, you are one of the intelligent ones (ok, might not be the most reasoned person, but still) and I am pretty sure you'll figure out a way to keep buying this load of crap.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
and *real* too!
Can you imagine writing *fun*, *real*, and the truth?!
Well, at least you can imagein itQuote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
No, it just points to the glaringly apparent need that we just need new and better conspiracy theories.
and actually, The US, Russia, Iran, Mexico, Norway, China, Venezuela, Canada, and the UK (none Gulf states) all produce more barrels per day than Iraq.
The US alone produces 3 times more than Iraq...Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Let me get this straight...
The USA invades and occupies the richest oil producing country on the planet... and oil prices go up?
Somehow it seems to me we are very, very, gullable. Hoaxes asside.
Wow, you are just full of fun facts!
Yeah, well you are correct. I'm not disputing your facts. But you don't seem to get the point. The point being it doesn't take a conspiracy theory to realize that no matter what happens, including the West controling more oil than it has ever before in history, the people will still be milked.
The point being, we are being ripped off. Ripped off and sold out.
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That decision also fueled the subsequent suburban growth and deprecation of the inner city life. With Highways came the supermalls and suburban sprawl out into whatever people deemed was the acceptable daily driving range is. The smarter
cities and counties around the country has adopted smart city planning and growth control policies to limit uncontrolled sprawl, better thought out communites, centralized city transportation, etc. Portland, Oregon... here I come.
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Originally posted by WhooDahn:Quote:
This is very true. The demand for cheap gas began just after WWII when President Truman opted to fund the Interstate Highway System instead of expanding out railway system. At the time this was the SMARTEST thing he could have done. After seeing the destruction to supply lines during the war, Truman was desperate to get us off our dependence on railroads. A train cannot jump the track; a big truck can always drive through a field if desperate enough to get somewhere.
Don't like gas prices now? Buy a hybrid or give a donation to someone reseaching longer lasting power sources for electric cars. There is no short term fix for our oil dependence.
--Kala
I'm not familiar with Truman's decision but I imagine that he really had a fight with the railroad companies. They were very strong and didn't usually play by the rules. I can't imagine the politics involved in making a cultural decision to change a form of transportation.
The world really needs to make changes to it's fuel consumption. It isn't just automotive fuel, it's cruise ships, cargo ships, airplanes, military vehicles, plastics, lubricants, etc. The world relies on petroleum based products and one day it will run out.
"I ain't crazy and I've got papers to prove it"
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Portland, Oregon... here I come.
Where do you live now?
"I ain't crazy and I've got papers to prove it"
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
But if one does make the choice to use new technology and machinery - and continue to use it en masse with abandonment. Who is to blame? With some exceptions, its the whim of the consumer and the market forces that drive the prices (Enron bastards). If you are continually willing to buy it at $2.50/gal, $3.00/gal, or $5.00/gal, apparently, it is *worth* that price. No one is putting a gun to your head and saying "buy this gas at $10.00/gal".
If you don't want it, don't buy it.
Exactly.
My point (lost somewhere in this maze of posts) is that the market sets the price of a commodity based on the consumers willingness to purchase at that price. Basically the consumer sets the price. As long as the comsumer is willing to consume and pay the asking price, then it will stay at the asking price.
For example, I don't know if it costs $2000 to make a computer or $40,000 to make a car but if people are willing to buy them at that cost, then what drives the market to lower the price? Nothing.
My heartburn acts up when people blame oil refineries for the price of gas. Truthfully most refineries have very little control over the price of gas. If they could control their profit, the small refineries wouldn't be going out of business and the large oil companies wouldn't be merging to stay alive.
If people want to blame someone for the high price of gas, blame the consumer. Oil refineries are trying to fill the hole the consumer has dug for themselves.
"I ain't crazy and I've got papers to prove it"
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Originally posted by Talvin:
Now if you will excuse me, my wife has a doctor's appointment that we need to start walking to.
"You're 34 weeks pregnant, you walked here, and your blood pressure is only 128 over 68?!?!?" --OB/GYN
Now that shows how walking is one of the most healthiest forms of exercise for anybody. My wife also had excellent blood pressure during pregnancy and she exercised 3-5 times a week. Kepp up the walking Talvin.
Jaymes
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I already use less gas - I've been driving a Civic Hybrid for going on two years now.
46.5 miles per gallon - I only have to fill up every two weeks.
It's not oil independence, but it's a step in the right direction (and it doesn't pollute either, also good).
Good news though - I heard that Orlando (my home) has been picked as a location for a hydrogen fuel test station. We'll be seeing a fleet of hydrogen-powered vehicles in the next few years.
Now THAT'S a technology we NEED!! Hopefully the oil barons will start converting their investments to hydrogen fuel cell technology. Then maybe they won't be fighting the move away from oil.
"Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing."
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Some useful reading...
The future of energy
The end of the Oil Age
Oct 23rd 2003
From The Economist print edition
Ways to break the tyranny of oil are coming into view. Governments need to promote them
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2155717
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Walking is fine very fine indeed. I can sympthize with hour hip ijury. My left hip has crushed gangila (nerves)and hurts like hell, but I still walk, because I cannot run for fitness because of broken cartiledge.
But what if your only option is to live 30+ miles from work place of work and there is NO public transport nor a ride you can hitch?
Your gonna say "Get a job closer to home". In the boonies, you only make minium wage - trust me we tried to find something within walkin' distance. Mostly we found that familes who owned business' hired family.
Next you might say "Get a home in the city" - Sorry, no thanks. Personal opinon: cities are nice to vist - but remind me of overfull rat cages. Anybody remember that experiment set?
Please don't forget that not everybody can live the type of life you have. Gota watch out for that limited perscpective making folks belive that everyone can live in the same manner as someone else. LOL, it would be much like living like the Eloi in "The Time Machine" - Idyllic perhaps, but stagnant.
Everything is a matter of relative perspective! 
"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"
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I am so sorry... NOT!
I had to stop and get gas at Stop&Shop which was at $201.9 (US) but with my shoppers card 5 cents less... because if I didn't i would have been stranded on the highway on an empty tank 15 miles from home. I commute 35 miles each way everyday so what was i supposed to do?
I say drive more!
Buy more!
Improve the economy!
Jaymes
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