Do you feel like you failed?

POSTED BY: InpedendantLissa
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 14:11
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Lurkers of the web unite! If we just could get up the nerve ;-)

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Originally posted by earthgirl:
from the first moment I read the title of this thread, I avoided the whole thing for a while. Then curiosity got the best of me

my first instinct was right-- this whole topic has troll written all over it, just trying to stir up trouble and get people upset. As someone said, "thanks for reminding me why I left in the first place."

this is not a topic of "discussion" it's a "give it up folks" thread disguised in a form of a question. I say we let the topic fade away

after all, those of us who believe, believe hard.

for the starter of this thread- if you're not a troll, you're certainly coming off as one. If you are a troll... go off and try to bring religiosity to the fuzzy wuzzies or something

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Oh please!! It was a good soul searching type of question. Every time someone posts a relatively controversial opinion on here, someone yells Troll. It garnered exactly what I thought it would: thoughtful responses from both sides of the issue.FFF.net and the other boards are not the be all, end all of this fandom. Think about it people: It barely lasted a season. And the fandom, from what I'm seeing IS growing.



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We may never see more Firefly produced, but that does not make the original any less. Life in all its forms comes in waves. It was years between the first Alien movie and the second. Ther have been shows that have lasted years that never got the attention this program has.

I keep reminding myself the Joss has many projects in his head. We are now waiting for Dollhouse. So it may not be Firefly, but this could be another exception show.

I have spent a lot of time looking for things that do not exist, while wonderful things pass me by without notice. Widen your view and you may find glimpses of Firefly in other pieces of Joss's work. Even some of the other writers from the show may create things that may come from the influence of working on Firefly.

I am sure Summer is using her experience as River as she works on the Terminator series.


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Firstly, I would just like to make a distinction between the how the term "failure" is perceived.

Do you all remember being a newcoat? And having that passionate, nigh-rabid adoration for our beloved verse? To a new member of our fandom, especially during the post-Serenity era, one might feel let down that things are very slow at the moment. It may feel like noone is doing anything to relight her. And that is understandable right?

Now an Oldcoat, who has been with Firefly since it's brief foray into networks around the world (I believe we had Firefly here in New Zealand, mid 2003.) Has seen the rise and falls, knows that we now have several amazing comics, a movie,
a Visual Companion, a pletohra of fanbased material and merchandise. Where was that four or five years ago?

I feel that there is no "failing" to this.
from what I see. We have achieved so so much. And that is something that cannot be undone.

The fanbase is definately, growing. Why, last year, I had the largest number of converts since I started all those years ago, when I bought my first boxed set(now adorning the scars of each convert's possession.)

We have done a lot, and as most Oldcoats now know, it's time to rest, and to hold. To the newcoats, do not fret, Oldcoats know how much you want change, and they have given ALOT for you all to have what you have. Change will come.

We are all out there. And we are waiting. All we need is that first little spark, from then on, well...

"That'll be an interesting day."

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Some actual sales numbers I pulled off of Amazon today that y'all might find interesting:

SERENITY DVD
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #2,299 in Movies & TV (See Bestsellers in Movies & TV)
Popular in these categories:
#8 in Movies & TV > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Adventure
#8 in Movies & TV > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Futuristic
#8 in Movies & TV > Animation > Science Fiction

FIREFLY DVD Set
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #225 in Movies & TV (See Bestsellers in Movies & TV)
Popular in these categories:
#1 in Movies & TV > Television > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Firefly
#7 in Movies & TV > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Series & Sequels
#12 in Movies & TV > Television > Fox TV

Considering the sheer weight of DVD titles that are offered on Amazon, combined with the fact that both Firefly and Serenity are not new titles anymore, these sales rankings are mighty impressive! Look how high those rankings are... this points to ongoing healthy, current(!), sales. Also, it can be safely said that both Firefly and Serenity are not exactly being heavily promoted by the studios anymore. At this point, these sales are powered by a solid fan base and great word of mouth.

The activity on message boards is not an accurate indicator of the overall audience of a movie or show. I was a loyal Buffy and Angel fan for years, yet never had the inclination to seek out a message board. There are lots of fans who love shows, but are not inclined to seek out message boards. I think that most of the drop off on the FF/S message boards has to do with many people not knowing what to discuss because we're going through a quiet period, as far as new things happening in the 'Verse. Also I have noticed that when folks don't have too many new things to discuss, often some members get negative or mean tempered to others. Is this some general lashing out in anger because the future of the 'Verse got stalled? Are other fans getting picked on because they happen to be handy? Who knows for sure. But I've seen the corrosiveness of this negativity and it does drive some nice fans away.

I happen to think there are always new ways to discuss Firefly and Serenity, it just will take a bit of imagination to come up with a new take. Just lately I began some discussions on another board and was fascinated to discover just how much more I could discuss and discover about the episodes and characters. The writing is so well done, there's plenty of creative ways to explore the layers in the show and movie.

There are very realistic reasons to believe that the 'Verse can be revived in some form in the future. The healthy and continuing DVD sales point to a continuing audience interest. Joss still says that he would love to return to the 'Verse, and the cast also say that they'd also love to play their roles again. Taking the long view, and considering Joss's willingness to try new entertainment business models ("Dr. Horrible"), it's not out of the realm of possibility that Firefly/Serenity will return in some form. Probably not a theatrical movie, perhaps a mini-series, direct to DVD, or new kind of online/DVD production. Personally, I think it will take a little more time because certain circumstances have to be right. As long as Joss, the cast, and the audience still want it to happen, then the rest is just building the audience and finding a way to finance it.

In the meantime support the 'Verse where we can, and get creative in our discussions about Firefly and Serenity. Also, just keep spreading the word about FF/S and help keep the audience growing. When there's a big enough audience and demand for more, then there's real money to be made, and a revival will happen... and that ain't just crazy fan talk.

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