Do you feel like you failed?
POSTED BY: InpedendantLissa
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 14:11
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No, not by a longshot. Failure? No way! We're temporarily grounded making repairs, she's busted up pretty good but she'll fly true!
These things take time, mainly because a few execs at Fox and Universal need persuading. The way I see it, the Blu-Ray Firefly sales will be a good jumping off point. Browncoats all over the world buying up this version will send a clear message to those folks that there's money to be made. Think about it - millions $$ in sales and no more episodes. Some smart exec will say "Hey, if we make more episodes, we'll make more money."
Well DUH!
Like I said, logic will prevail, if not they do not know how to add. Universal would be smart to pick up on the Theme Park aspect. Imagine Serenity Valley hotels, Heart of Gold Motels, Maidenhead Bar, Inara's Honeymoon Shuttle, Kaylee's Room, Jayne's Bunk, The Bridge, Whitefall Dude ranch, Shiny hats from Londinium and in the middle of the complex a replica of Serenity. A Browncoat's Paradise! (A man can dream, can't he?)
What was the question again? Oh yeah, no we haven't failed. Many new recruits and tons of sites - so much so - that 20th Century Fox made a Blu-Ray version of the very show they cancelled 6 years ago (to this day that amazes me). I would say that's success! So don't fret, everything's shiny!
So we hold, we hold until the Captain gets back!
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As long as i keep trying to get another person to watch the best damn tv show i ever did see then i can honestly say i haven't failed. As for if Browncoats in general have failed, not even slightly. If they had i likely would have never heard of Firefly, the fact that we're still here is success enough in my opinion.
Just wearing a Sereni-Tee or making your sceptical friend watch the pilot all these are us winning that couple with the fact that people still haven't given up with getting themselves more of the 'verse, well that makes me damn proud to call myself a Browncoat
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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
No, not by a longshot. Failure? No way! We're temporarily grounded making repairs, she's busted up pretty good but she'll fly true!
These things take time, mainly because a few execs at Fox and Universal need persuading. The way I see it, the Blu-Ray Firefly sales will be a good jumping off point. Browncoats all over the world buying up this version will send a clear message to those folks that there's money to be made. Think about it - millions $$ in sales and no more episodes. Some smart exec will say "Hey, if we make more episodes, we'll make more money."
Well DUH!
Like I said, logic will prevail, if not they do not know how to add. Universal would be smart to pick up on the Theme Park aspect. Imagine Serenity Valley hotels, Heart of Gold Motels, Maidenhead Bar, Inara's Honeymoon Shuttle, Kaylee's Room, Jayne's Bunk, The Bridge, Whitefall Dude ranch, Shiny hats from Londinium and in the middle of the complex a replica of Serenity. A Browncoat's Paradise! (A man can dream, can't he?)
What was the question again? Oh yeah, no we haven't failed. Many new recruits and tons of sites - so much so - that 20th Century Fox made a Blu-Ray version of the very show they cancelled 6 years ago (to this day that amazes me). I would say that's success! So don't fret, everything's shiny!
So we hold, we hold until the Captain gets back!
while it's great in theory to be an optimist, it's also good to be realistic and realize that most of the world doesn't even know this franchise exists. the things you are suggesting are for blockbuster franchises. serenity will never be that.
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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Imagine Serenity Valley hotels, Heart of Gold Motels, Maidenhead Bar, Inara's Honeymoon Shuttle, Kaylee's Room, Jayne's Bunk, The Bridge, Whitefall Dude ranch, Shiny hats from Londinium and in the middle of the complex a replica of Serenity. A Browncoat's Paradise! (A man can dream, can't he?
That sounds like Paradise. And don't forget the Reaver Rollercoaster Ride.
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Here's the problem with you definition of failure.
The fandoms that have books and the like actually published in their respective verses have the rights to do so, and authors willing to write them. We have plenty of talented writers here, but most of them will tell you they'd never get published and therefore never try. And the already established authors are either too mired in the universe they're writing in, have no idea what Firefly is, or have no interest in writing for it. And even if they did write one, the fandom can't force the studio's hand to allow the thing to be published. And before you call anyone here out about not producing content, tell me, what exactly have you contributed? You're quick to call us all failures, but I don't see you tauting anything you've created. You know the answers, so why not lead the way?
And you're making a lot of assumptions too. You seem to think that a majority of people in the Firefly fan verse are like you. And you seem to think that there is no gray area. You can't even concede that there's even a possibility that ArtCat or I might be right to a degree, not even a little.
And you ever think that maybe people left FFF.net because of people like you? It's why I did. I have no expectation, even if we did all the things that, to you, define a 'good', 'active' fandom, that there will ever be another series or movie. I just don't see it happening. The networks have final say in what happens, and being that we live in a world where The Hills and American Idol could last more than an episode but quality programming is being pulled off all the time, its obvious the networks' finger is so far off the pulse of the viewers (or just too many stupid people are watching TV) that they are not going to make the right choice.
However, what you don't see though, is me coming into threads to tell people they're deluding themselves. I don't trample other people's hopes, because hope is the only thing that has even allowed this fandom to become what it has. You consider the fandom a failure, but I look around and I see a group of individuals that have done alot to keep Firefly alive, even if only for themselves. If everyone had your cynical, negative attitude, this board wouldn't even be here for us to have this discussion.
Thank you though, for reminding me just why I left here in the first place.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
And actually, we have failed. You see, an actually active fandom doesn't just wear out there DVDs, etc. They produces content. Now you're going to point to the Blue Sun Room and say there you go, right? But, that isn't what I'm talking about. The fan fic/pics/etc produced here is nothing compared to an actual active community. The various web pages scattered across the net are nothing. What is actually needed to prove an active fandom is not waiting for those bit products to be produced, but to make it ourselves. Starwars, Wing Commander, and Star Trek are great examples of communities that are actually active. They have fan produced mods for games, and even entirely new games totally fan produced! They have books written in there respective 'verses among others things. What does FF/S have? QMX? The effectively cancelled game from MV? A few comics? What else? Nothing.
I've said it before and it bares repeating: If you sit around waiting for others to produce something for you effectively doing nothing, that's exactly what you'll get.
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from the first moment I read the title of this thread, I avoided the whole thing for a while. Then curiosity got the best of me
my first instinct was right-- this whole topic has troll written all over it, just trying to stir up trouble and get people upset. As someone said, "thanks for reminding me why I left in the first place."
this is not a topic of "discussion" it's a "give it up folks" thread disguised in a form of a question. I say we let the topic fade away
after all, those of us who believe, believe hard.
for the starter of this thread- if you're not a troll, you're certainly coming off as one. If you are a troll... go off and try to bring religiosity to the fuzzy wuzzies or something
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I'm just going to say this, and let it go as I think many of my opinions have been expressed by others about our growing fandom.
So our 'Verse hasn't been around as long as Star Wars and Star Trek, but it is strong and many folks from that fanbase are a part of this one as well.
The term "failure" is a realative one. Different people measure success and failure in different ways. Which is why folks might agree to disagree here.
I think our 'Verse is strong and true, and as long as people keep Firefly close to their hearts and on their minds, it is still alive.
I've seen a two year old ask for more Firefly when an Episode ended, so that to me is proof that our fanbase is ever growing, even with the young ones. :)
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And keep in mind, there are a few fan-based Firefly projects in the works. Video and Audio dramas.
Keep your eyes on Between The Lines Studios, for the audio drama.
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We haven't failed. FOX and Universal have failed.
Amen.
And just cause folks leave a board, don't mean they leave fandom - there's not really anything short of Joss suddenly acting like George Lucas that would cause me to not be a fan anymore.
-F
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Do I feel we failed? Nope, sure don't. The majority of the fans went above and beyond in their efforts, participation in various campaigns, bought numerous movie tickets, held screenings, and then bought multiple copies of dvds. Many of us pushed the movie like it was our very own project.
Failed? Not in the slightest. We should all be proud of our efforts and the gains we made from said efforts.
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