Imponderables: Waiting For Sundown

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:46 PM

Here we go again.

Past Thread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=34867&m=640565#640565

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Being an artist means not having to avert one's eyes.
-Akira Kurosawa

MSB

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:48 PM

FIRSTIES!!!

NV

And no I had no secret knowledge by which to obtain firsties...just lucky ( in more ways than one)

Ok hey how about a ponder...

What is the one item from your school career you will or have kept and why??

I kept a bunch of pictures and a few dresses but the big thing I kept is a jewelry box given to my by two friends:) It was a really sweet gift and it reminds me of them

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

ZEEK

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:49 PM

Firsties hacker!

RUGBUG

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
Hmm yeah yearbook lots of fun to look at years later...

And is helpful when you get friend invites on facebook and for the life of you can't remember who they are.

I'm currently wracking my brain to remember who a few people were and wishing my yearbook wasn't in a closet at my mom's house.

Class rings: I've found out recently they are good at embarrassing your sister a gazillion years after they mean anything. I "virtually" ran into one of my brother's friends from High School. The guy is between my age and my bro's and I had always had a crush on him. He actually went to high school with me and not the bro (bro and I went to cross town rivals. I think it summed up our relationship). Well, turns out my brother stole his class ring. Loser. Heh.

Gorram: that makes sense now. They stop doing class pictures after elementary, right?

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:

In an age were everyone and their pets have a digital camera, I'm not sure what the big deal is about going to a "professional" photographer to "capture the moment". Take your own photos, they'll be better than a pro's.

But maybe I'm just overly not-sentimental. ((snerk))

Well, with your photography skills, I see no problem. However, most people aren't even half as talented as you are with a camera. For example:

An okay snapshot I took of my horse:

which I didn't discover the potential of until I cropped it to this:

Compared to a similar, albeit 90x's better, shot from a pro (it was scanned from a wallet size so the scan quality is poor...not the photo):

For some of us, a pro shot really is worth the $$.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:31 PM

...I'm not sure I see your point.

I like your photo much better.

(I see the rich, warm browns and an actual spark of life in the horse's eyes captured in your photo, as opposed to the broken necked look with the dark muted tones the professional captured.)

It doesn't take a professional to capture a genuine moment in time for you and your family. Families do that all the time - and have since the advent of affordable personal cameras - and it actually means something to them. Do kids remember their professional photographer sitting(s), or do they remember that vacation to Hawaii where you made them put on those lame shirts and a hula skirt? My 'rents took pictures of us against a plain wall so they could fill up their own yearly photo doohickey. I guarantee I didn't look any different in their photos than I did when the school photographer came around for the yearbook.

PS> I am so very not a professional photograph. I'm an absolute hack. I take pictures and eventually get one not-half-bad. Skill not required.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:28 PM

You may be, but perception and position have a lot to do with it. Sneakyness has it's advantages.

Good morning people.

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-Akira Kurosawa

ZEEK

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:18 PM

ah fire drills. Add in nap time and I'll feel like I'm right back in school. My laziness fought my boredom and boredom won. So, instead of wait for an elevator behind the whole building full of people I walked the 6 flights of stairs. Now I'm all winded. Stupid exercise.

MSB

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:26 PM

We had a fire drill yesterday

Rugbug your baby is GORGEOUS!!! What a beautiful coat and his confirmation is excellent!!

HK you're a great photographer and I'm betting even pros take a ton of shots to get one perfect one

Ok off to an elementary to get spit on and kicked:) oh happy day

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

RUGBUG

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
...I'm not sure I see your point.

I like your photo much better.

(I see the rich, warm browns and an actual spark of life in the horse's eyes captured in your photo, as opposed to the broken necked look with the dark muted tones the professional captured.)

It doesn't take a professional to capture a genuine moment in time for you and your family. Families do that all the time - and have since the advent of affordable personal cameras - and it actually means something to them. Do kids remember their professional photographer sitting(s), or do they remember that vacation to Hawaii where you made them put on those lame shirts and a hula skirt? My 'rents took pictures of us against a plain wall so they could fill up their own yearly photo doohickey. I guarantee I didn't look any different in their photos than I did when the school photographer came around for the yearbook.

PS> I am so very not a professional photograph. I'm an absolute hack. I take pictures and eventually get one not-half-bad. Skill not required.

HK: you're definitely not a hack. You take very interesting pictures. Your framing and lighting are intriguing. Whether you're doing that with Photoshop after the fact or have the knowledge to set it up for the actual picture, you've got an eye for what makes an interesting picture. I don't have that. A lot of people don't. It's probably one of the reasons I don't even own a camera.

I can take decent pictures with my friend's $20K Canon set-up (whoo boy is that a nice camera). I can even take professional quality action shots of horses...because those shots are pretty set and you don't need to do much other than know which moment is important. Make sure the sun is in the right place, set the shutter on burst, focus on the horse's shoulder, and your golden. A monkey can take a decent shot. But the truly artistic and "wow" shots take some knowledge.

I would say that in capturing moments, there's no need for a pro. For interesting, inspired pictures that deviate from the norm, a pro is necessary for some of us.

I've got myriads of other examples of good pro shots vs. ammie vs. bad pro shots. I don't agree with your assessment of the pictures I posted. ;) I LOVE the one I took...but it wasn't any good until it was cropped. I have an 11 x 14 of the pro one that is amazing. 'Course a lot of that comes down to personal taste.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that a pro really can be worth it, depending on your goal. If you want to capture the moment, they're not necessary. If you want interesting pictures, they may or may not be necessary depending on the ability of the amateur, and even the camera they have available. I watched the quality of a friend's photos improve by leaps and bounds by spending a bit of money on a nice camera($300-500 range). If you want experience and knowledge of what makes interesting photos, a GOOD pro is the way to go.

Now, all that might not even be pertinent to a discussion about senior portraits. I do know that my senior portrait was the first time in my life that I actually felt pretty, like I measured up to the popular kids. It was an ugly duckling/swan moment for me and it probably tempers my feelings towards getting nice senior portraits. Is it necessary? Nope. But it can be worth it. :shrug:

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
I don't agree with your assessment of the pictures I posted. ;)

Well... that's because you're WRONG! BWAAAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahaaa!! XD

Seriously, I really do like your picture better, even taking into account that it was cropped and the other was scanned. (I'd bet one whole US dollar that the pro took at least a couple shots and ended up cropping those, too?)

And thank you for such a compliment.

I see your point about professional versus amatuer in certain circumstances. But when it comes to a generic portrait (sorry if that sounds harsh) for a moment-in-school-time, I think $250 (starting price?) is insane. There really is no magic involved in sitting someone down in front of a cheesy backdrop, taking a dozen or so photos from slightly different angles, and printing out a digitally captured image onto different sizes of archive-grade photo-worthy paper. It seems to me to be more that both the school and the photographer know they have the parents over a barrel, so to speak, so they're going to squeeze them for every penny they can.

...and you have a beautiful horse, by the way. Makes me miss my uppity old nag (feisty appaloosa / quarter horse who hated the farm kittens). XD

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:01 PM

Morning all.

Hm, what did I keep from high school? My actual diploma and my year book from my senior year, and not much else. I think all my prom dresses (that I made by hand ) are in my mother's house somewhere still. I think I got rid of most everything else. But then, I had a boyfriend in high school who turned out to be a bit of a slime later on, so a lot of my high school keepsakes were dumped because of that.

I didn't get a school ring. The gown for graduation was rented but the cap was bought (nice splitting of the fees with the school, IMO), but I'm not sure I have the cap anymore either. I think I have my tassel and the decorations I put on my cap around here somewhere, not sure.

I got the professional photos my senior year, because if you didn't you couldn't get into the yearbook. Which kind of sucked, but at the same time I can see the argument on the school's part -- that way the photos all came from the same photographer, and looked cohesive. It ended up being a fairly nice picture of me, though sitting for it was horrific. All the girls had to wear this black wrap sort of thing around our shoulders, and push our bra straps down our arms so they wouldn't show. It looks awesome in the yearbook, but I was probably already in 30GG range by then, but was wearing the wrong size and generally hated my body, so having to sit for professinal photos basically not wearing a bra was a really uncomfortable experience.

As far as hiring a professional photographer for other events, the only one that makes any sense to me at all is at your wedding. I hired a pro who took everything in digital (in 12 megapixels, which was pretty impressive 5.5 years ago ;) ), and it allowed me and the hubby and our guests to just relax and not think about the photos and stuff. We only did a couple of posed ones immediately after the ceremony, but the rest of the time she was able to really blend into the background and get these really great candid shots. Totally made the day.

But for everything else, I agree with HK: invest in a good camera, maybe take a photography class at the community center, and just relax and take fun pictures. Your life doesn't have to look like you have a professional television crew following you around at all times. Your own pictures are more real, and will mean more, I think.

But fwiw, if I were to ever have portraits done I think I'd rather splurge on a professional make-up artist and skimp on the photographer.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

RUGBUG

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:

...and you have a beautiful horse, by the way. Makes me miss my uppity old nag (feisty appaloosa / quarter horse who hated the farm kittens). XD

Thanks! I have an opinion about Appaloosas that involves them often being worth their weight in gold. Although one that hates kittens...How can that be? (my horse hates goats...and mini donkeys. That's about all of the wild kingdom he's been introduced too. :D)

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

GORRAMGROUPIE

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:46 PM

My wife and I to this day regret NOT getting a professional for our wedding. We had a family member recommend a friend, and since we were (and still are) poor, we said sure. What a fiasco that was. Not the pro he was made out to be.
And yes, schools have parent's over a barrel, but it's not their fault. They have to use whatever company they can get to take the photos, and the companies know this, so they totally shaft everyone on the price of the pics.
As far as other photos. I've always enjoyed the candid photos here, as much as the posed/art/pro photos. Only for major events should a pro be needed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:27 PM

u took stills *and* vid at my cousin's wedding :-P but it was kind of a last minute thing XD

professionals are definitely worth it if they do the job right. they can screw up too. ive heard stories

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:28 PM

Ok seriously pissed now! Bossbitch and HRbitch are trying to tell me that time I take for physical therapy and the time I had off cause the workers comp doctor said to stay home come off of my personal leave and lunch hours!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Ok seriously pissed now! Bossbitch and HRbitch are trying to tell me that time I take for physical therapy and the time I had off cause the workers comp doctor said to stay home come off of my personal leave and lunch hours!

Unfortunately, that's common practice. With FMLA, time off work comes from PTO before any other benefits kick in....

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:46 AM

FMF i can make them disappear...:evil grin:

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:19 PM

Good morning Ponderers.

I can be a dick when I don't want to talk about stuff. Seems like it's little stuff, but there is usually a whole lot of it.

Is anyone else like that?

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Being an artist means not having to avert one's eyes.
-Akira Kurosawa

ZEEK

Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:43 PM

It's Thursday! The light at the end of the tunnel is beginning to shine in. This is enough for me today.

RUGBUG

Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Ok seriously pissed now! Bossbitch and HRbitch are trying to tell me that time I take for physical therapy and the time I had off cause the workers comp doctor said to stay home come off of my personal leave and lunch hours!
Unfortunately, that's common practice. With FMLA, time off work comes from PTO before any other benefits kick in....

Yep...although it does matter how the PTO is designated. If you get a lump sum as "PTO" it doesn't have to be used. If you get 'sick', 'personal' and 'vacation' you have to exhaust sick and possibly vacation. I can't remember if it is both.

I got lucky in that when I was out of work for four months (non-work related injury), I didn't have to use my PTO. I had 9 weeks accumulated when I was injured. I came back to work four months later with 4 weeks left. That was pretty awesome. (I also got lucky because my company held my job and continued my benefits for that extra 4 weeks...and more lucky because we have LTD, so when I returned to work Part Time, the LTD made up the difference in my salary to full time.) I guess I should be happy with where I work, instead of griping about the 0% raises and the cutting back of paid holidays, and the other tightening up we are facing.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:08 PM

*sigh* My happiness for light at the end of the tunnel is quickly dissipating. I have a meeting at noon on Thursdays so I try to eat at 11:30 and make it to the meeting. Today a manager stopped by and ate up 15 minutes of that before I could go grab a few minutes and then he interrupted me in the middle of eating to talk more...I finished a little of my lunch and called into my meeting late and I'm trying to quietly munch the rest of my lunch now. grrrr

RUGBUG

Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
*sigh* My happiness for light at the end of the tunnel is quickly dissipating.

Poor Zeek and his quietly eaten lunch.

Our HR manager is extinguishing the brightest parts of our Fridays: Department breakfast. Grrr. Seems she got her feelings hurt because tomorrow we are having a company wide meeting to which she brings bagels, cream cheese, and yougurt. Our breakfast fairy put around an e-mail to our dept. asking if we wanted to partake in that or for her to bring in breakfast pizza. Most people responded breakfast pizza and the HR manager is all 'they don't appreciate me.'

We are now officially limited to one big dept breakfast per month. Fart on that.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:23 PM

What is this breakfast pizza you speak of?

GORRAMGROUPIE

Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:18 PM

If true to form, it is cream cheese, sweetened, on a sweet pie crust with fruit for toppings. Very nummy and bad for you, except the fruit.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

MSB

Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:37 PM

She killed breakfast pizza??? what a bitch

FMF...sigh ah the joys of corporate. You shouldn't have let the boss's favorite push a stack of boxes onto your head( I still think you should have dropped the little wenie off a building for that) FMF boss

Ok back to observing kids... hey the little pee boy peed on the carpet instead... and when he went to pee on the teacher...he'd already emptied his bladder so he couldn't tee hee hee. Lucky for us he didn't think of any other toilet related possibilities:)

Am now off to deal with a 5th grade girl who keeps stripping off on the bus... male teacher freaking out and doesn't know what to do

CK -big hugs for the icky semi nude uncomfortableness ( no way they'd allow that these days)

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:34 PM

breakfast pizza sounds good. who killed it and why?

RUGBUG

Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
What is this breakfast pizza you speak of?

I don't know...and now won't for a few weeks. :(

Gorram, I don't think it's what you posted. We have that as birthday dessert around here quite often. So yummy.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ODDBODSKINS

Friday, September 26, 2008 12:24 AM

I always thought breakfast pizza was cold takeaway drowned in mayonnaise?

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CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, September 26, 2008 1:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
CK -big hugs for the icky semi nude uncomfortableness ( no way they'd allow that these days)

Lol, MsB, it was only, what, 10 years ago this month, I guess. And in California no less!

I did have a shirt on though, or a towel or wrap or something, can't quite remember. But nothing enough to support the boobage, with the bra straps pulled down. So it wasn't so much semi nudity as it was massive lack of support while trying to sit still and look pretty, hehe.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

AIKO

Friday, September 26, 2008 1:26 AM

I've always though breakfast pizza was like breakfast burrito fillings (sausage, eggs, maybe ham or peppers?) on a pizza crust.

ZEEK

Friday, September 26, 2008 3:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Aiko:
I've always though breakfast pizza was like breakfast burrito fillings (sausage, eggs, maybe ham or peppers?) on a pizza crust.

I googled. It sounds like this is pretty close. They used crescent roll dough as the crust. I'm sure that type of stuff just varies.

RUGBUG

Friday, September 26, 2008 5:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
CK -big hugs for the icky semi nude uncomfortableness ( no way they'd allow that these days)
Lol, MsB, it was only, what, 10 years ago this month, I guess. And in California no less!

A lot of the schools still use the wrap thing for the girls and the boys have to be in a dark jacket, white shirt, dark tie combo. My brother's school was like that. Mine wasn't. :D

'Course his yearbook pictures were in color. Our's were in black and white. I guess they got the cohesiveness that way.

After asking some questiong, Aiko is right about breakfast pizza. I also think Odds is on to something as well. ;)

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MAGDALENA

Friday, September 26, 2008 5:21 PM

Breakfast pizza for me is whatever is left over from the previous evening, heated up if you can wait, eaten cold if you're too hungry/lazy to care...

Hey there Jailbait!

{{{hugs}}} MsB... LOL about the pee pee kid! Glad he had exhausted supplies before he attempted to pee on the teacher... though I know it's genuinely not funny!

{{{{hugs}}}} NVG & I know what you mean about going quiet, sometimes I need to work out what's bugging me before I vocalise it, but I have learned that it's not healthy to do so for too long... better to broach a subject, however small, even when it's still forming in your mind, than to cause concern and frustration in yourself and your loved ones by 'clamming up'... not that my Mother ever quite noticed when I did, but others have and it bothered them more than I realised at the time! Sometimes the very 'verbalising' helps you to work it out in your mind...

Hello & {{{HUGS}}} Gee, FMF, Rugbug, CK and all my long-lost friends from the 'verse! I have been slack lately - sorry about not dropping in more often, life gets in the way and I am a very busy nanny!

Got to run! It's good to see you around!

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MSB

Friday, September 26, 2008 6:40 PM

SQUEEEE!!!! HUGS Magda

CK- I was just thinking 'cause nowadays a phtographer saying he needs all the teenage girls to take off their shirts, wrap fabric around themselves and lower their bra straps is likely to get arrested

I make breakfast pizza on biscuit crust with sausages, eggs, and a sauted mix of potatos, onions, peppers, and tomatos and then cover the lot with sharp cheddar and bake:)

OK deperately trying to stay awake... not a lot of sleep last night

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

ZEEK

Friday, September 26, 2008 6:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
not a lot of sleep last night

Well done NVG!

GORRAMGROUPIE

Friday, September 26, 2008 7:08 PM

You owe me a new monitor Zeek! Dripping Dew right now.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

MSB

Friday, September 26, 2008 7:10 PM

Damn I love you guys... I really don't know why, but I do

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

ZEEK

Friday, September 26, 2008 7:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gorramgroupie:
You owe me a new monitor Zeek! Dripping Dew right now.

I thought Dew + anything makes the anything just that much better? I think your monitor is just improved now.

MSB

Friday, September 26, 2008 7:46 PM

Sticky ,but improved???

ok we all need a laugh
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2008/09/24/impaired_cooler/

____________________________________________

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

GORRAMGROUPIE

Friday, September 26, 2008 8:58 PM

Given what has been said, I will not touch the obvious response, my brain is dirty enough without corrupting you innocents.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

MSB

Friday, September 26, 2008 9:01 PM

LOL...

____________________________________________

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, September 26, 2008 9:33 PM

Happy Friday Ponderers!

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Being an artist means not having to avert one's eyes.
-Akira Kurosawa

AIKO

Friday, September 26, 2008 9:35 PM

new shoes are AWFUL! bleah... blisters no es bien!

GORRAMGROUPIE

Friday, September 26, 2008 9:38 PM

I take your greeting and substitute my own:
Hene cheechee thppt!

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

MSB

Saturday, September 27, 2008 5:15 AM

Ok cherry martinis are good... ( am preventing myself from a long diatribe on NV's virtues as you are all sick of hearing me go on and on about him... but he is the greatest ever)

____________________________________________

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

GORRAMGROUPIE

Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:31 PM

You made NVG into a cherry martini?!!

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

MSB

Saturday, September 27, 2008 6:27 PM

Oh ha ha ha...

The cherry martinis were excellent:)
NV continues to be the most wonderful and amazing man in the universe

____________________________________________

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, September 29, 2008 4:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by GorramGroupie: I take your greeting and substitute my own:
Hene cheechee thppt!

isn't it i *reject* your greeting and substitute my own? :-P jk. adam savage rocks

wtf is hene cheechee thppt?

ODDBODSKINS

Monday, September 29, 2008 12:47 PM

Huhm, morning all, and hey Magda! s'good to see ya xD

So, I'm betting a good few of you lot have been taking in heroes season three, starts here weds, opinions? (spoilery free please!) 'Cos I wouldn't want to think I just marathoned seasons one and two for nowt.

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'That torpedo hit us hard. We've got serious damage to the thrusters, heat warping in the secondary camshaft and the right side emergency jets completely knackered. We can't thrust, our shafts bent, and we'll probably never shoot off from the right hand again!'

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, September 29, 2008 1:24 PM

*shuffles into ponder room* *rubs eyes* too early to ponder *shuffles out*

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, September 29, 2008 1:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oddbodskins:
So, I'm betting a good few of you lot have been taking in heroes season three, starts here weds, opinions? (spoilery free please!)

Aye. It's all right, I guess. Parts of it were remeniscent (sp?) of other shows, and they got close to jumping the shark in a few spots... but I hold out hope for continued all-rightedness. ^^

ODDBODSKINS

Monday, September 29, 2008 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Oddbodskins:
So, I'm betting a good few of you lot have been taking in heroes season three, starts here weds, opinions? (spoilery free please!)
Aye. It's all right, I guess. Parts of it were remeniscent (sp?) of other shows, and they got close to jumping the shark in a few spots... but I hold out hope for continued all-rightedness. ^^

All right is live-withable I guess, a continued absence of shark jumping is to be hoped for. Aright, thankee.

____________________
'That torpedo hit us hard. We've got serious damage to the thrusters, heat warping in the secondary camshaft and the right side emergency jets completely knackered. We can't thrust, our shafts bent, and we'll probably never shoot off from the right hand again!'

RUGBUG

Monday, September 29, 2008 3:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oddbodskins:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:
Originally posted by Oddbodskins:
So, I'm betting a good few of you lot have been taking in heroes season three, starts here weds, opinions? (spoilery free please!)
Aye. It's all right, I guess. Parts of it were remeniscent (sp?) of other shows, and they got close to jumping the shark in a few spots... but I hold out hope for continued all-rightedness. ^^

All right is live-withable I guess, a continued absence of shark jumping is to be hoped for. Aright, thankee.

I enjoyed it. My only issue was that I think I missed some eps at the end of last season and without having recently watched them, I was like "huh? Oh yeah." I kept wondering what happened with the Irish girl...was that answered somewhere? I felt a little lost. and I'm just not into the web stuff, so I'm sure there's whole stories I have no idea about. I'm also not really into comics or graphic novels, so....

There was quite a bit of re-cap exposition stuff that dragged in parts and they showed two episodes back to back, so the re-caps in the second episode felt unnecessary and repetitive.

All in all, it was pretty good. I'll still make time for it. I have a friend who's not going to watch. She basically said it's been off-air for so long she's gotten over it.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ODDBODSKINS

Monday, September 29, 2008 3:50 PM

I guess your friend would never make a browncoat 'bug.

That sounds not bad (by the by, the irish girl got trapped a year in the future, based on the fact that that future (apparently)got changed while she was there, I for one have no idea if she can ever come back)

(although it's not future from now, it was then, although I think the third season is four years on or something? so she may have disappeared three years ago series-time, in a timeline that ceased to be...)

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'That torpedo hit us hard. We've got serious damage to the thrusters, heat warping in the secondary camshaft and the right side emergency jets completely knackered. We can't thrust, our shafts bent, and we'll probably never shoot off from the right hand again!'

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, September 29, 2008 4:34 PM

...and with all that, the chum is in the water...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, September 29, 2008 5:39 PM

Good morning people.

Finished my rifle Friday night, zeroed it in Sunday, and walked quite a bit scouting for the colder months. Felt like crap last night but thanks to MSB's help (Airborn is the shit) I quit leaking at the nose like a faucet and got some sleep.

That was pretty much the weekend.

Oh, got to shop for furniture Friday with MSB and soon we will have a new couch and squishy chair for the living room. I may never want to leave the house.

MSB

Monday, September 29, 2008 5:55 PM

OK so right now I sit in Barnes and Nobles as I have no internet or email access at work. Friday afternoon the power blew and they got lights on by this morning but the server is dead...

Hmm I've like Heroes so far but I am not all that demanding when it comes to being entertained... but I will say it's struggling with story line and character's behavior is inconsistent and that's never good

Still looking forward to it... and Big Bang, How I met your mother, and Two and a Half men:)

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, September 29, 2008 6:11 PM

Hooray for Monday night.

And hooray for there actually being stuff on TV that I look forward to watching.

MSB

Monday, September 29, 2008 6:19 PM

Would like to point out October 31st is Halloween!!!

* Nevada has some weird little alternative holiday and they chose to schedule it during Halloween*

Yes indeed hooray for good shows on Monday

Ok really can't believe I am stuck in Barnes and Noble's listening to elevator music while trying to work ( ok about 1/3 of my time is goofing off in here)

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

KELKHIL

Monday, September 29, 2008 7:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
... and Big Bang, How I met your mother, and Two and a Half men:)

I just started watching these recently! Don't know how I missed tehm before. On last week's Big Bang they mentioned teh "Secret" Supercollider (sp) underground 17 miles SW of Traverse City Mi and I jump up off teh couch and started trying to gigure out what is 17 Miles sw and if it looked suspicious or not!

(scary part is they pronounced it right Traverse City right on teh show so they at least know about the place and wern't just grabbing an unknown)

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

ZEEK

Monday, September 29, 2008 9:02 PM

Had to take the kitty to the vet. She is now all wailed out and up do date on her shots.

Yeah Monday is the TV night this year. It has all the shows I'd watch. Chuck, How I Met Your Mother and Terminator. And they're all lined up against each other. Lost, Scrubs and obviously Dollhouse will be on the list whenever they start. Hopefully they're not planned for Monday night also. Oh and Spectacular Spiderman but that's like Saturday morning or something. :-)

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, September 29, 2008 11:42 PM

REminds me: have to check the dogs tags for shot dates. THanks Zeek.

Going home. Love to y'all.

MSB

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:54 PM

NVG here. Up early. Nice outside after a (very) slight bit of rain.

Fall

is

here

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

ZEEK

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
REminds me: have to check the dogs tags for shot dates. THanks Zeek.

Normally my vet calls me for my yearly appointment but this time I was like...ok I remember it's always hot out when I take the kitty in so how come I haven't heard from them yet? (granted it stays hot in austin for a good long while but still)

Sure enough her shots expired in mid august. I had to call them. Found out they changed management though so I guess that's their excuse.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:41 PM

MSB has diferent phone numbers than when she was in SLC so the doc wouldn't be calling her. Seems I kinda like the mutts and should probably look out for them more.

MSB

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:28 PM

NV argh forgot shots

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

KELKHIL

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:13 PM

Afternoon bumpage. Seems kinda slow in here today.

Well I have appointment #3 with the acupuncturist today. Back has been feeling better so I am going to keep it up for a bit and see.

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

ZEEK

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:54 PM

So what's it like? Do the needles feel like getting a shot or what? I would think that would get really painful pretty quickly. Or are they mostly painless? Do you ever flinch when one zings ya?

KELKHIL

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:02 PM

eh some you feel some you don't. For the most part it is painless. A quick poke is the most on incertian. While positioning them it can get uncomfortable some times. Not really painful, just not comfortable. But then again I am constantly in pain when my back is out so my threshold for pain is a might bit high.

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

MSB

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:17 PM

Cool Kelkhil... :)

Sorry been out and about yet again. Things are so busy here I will be an intermittant ponderer for a bit

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

GORRAMGROUPIE

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
Quote:
Originally posted by GorramGroupie: I take your greeting and substitute my own:
Hene cheechee thppt!

isn't it i *reject* your greeting and substitute my own? :-P jk. adam savage rocks

wtf is hene cheechee thppt?

Random brain firings, means absolutely nothing in any way shape or form. Hence on the inponderables.
Ok, so thhpt is my way of doing

, cuz it don't work any way.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:31 PM

*is blown away by the major plot explosion in RvB Reconstruction* I...need a drink.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 1:55 PM

*bumps thread*

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 4:09 PM

(Readjusts thread from FLT bumping into it)

Good morning Ponderers.

Ponder: Does gender have much to do with political descision making? We're stuck between a shit sandwich and a giant douche right now and I'm really leaning toward a vote of no confidence (if it existed in this country). I got to hear about my boss shaking Obamas hand and how great he is yesterday before interviewing for techs (which kinda left me with the same feeling). Then I get to watch McCain double back on his own words on You Tube this morning. I can see with him it is no bullshit. We know he's a loony white (no offense to the sane white folk here) man out for his own best intrest and the intrest of his allies. I don't trust him. Then we have Barack Hussein Obama. I take him as the nice guy everyone knew in school that never expected him to be manipulative and self serving. He is the kind of fella that would talk his way into some womans panties then convince her that it was the best thing to do despite the fact that they are both married and he visably had herpes. Not a lesser evil. A better concealed evil. The best trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing people he didn't exist. I don't care about the tabloid mockery at the newstand of the local grocery store. I care about the slight of hand that he's pulling with people right now. At least the other asshat has nothing (nor the ability) to hide. Not saying that he is the better choice. But at least any semi intelligent human (and some apes) can see around McCains line of BS. He is a Regan-esque puppet. I just hate that later in his term, President Obama will make massive descisions that effect the people who elected him and will crush the hopes and dreams that were promised by him.
All these evil MFers out here right now are evil out in the open. Once his brand of evil is unleashed there will be no going back.

"It's okay baby. There is only a thirty five percent chance you'll get my herpes if you sleep with me."

So yeah, I dreamed all this. Something clicked in my head last night and did not let go until just a few minutes ago. That feeling is still lingering and reassures me that voting for neither is the best choice.
VOTING.
FOR NEITHER.

Guess I should listen to the coyote with the voice of Johnny Cash (Yeah, he was there).

Clarity is the path to inner peace.

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 4:39 PM

Write in vote for Stephen Colbert for the win!!

Has there ever been a clear choice in these matters? I've only lived through Bush/Dukakis, Bush/Clinton, Dole/Clinton, Bush/Gore, Bush/Kerry and now Obama/McCain. Sorry but I don't see a single choice in that list that I really want as president. I've always felt that it's just choosing the lesser of the two evils.

KELKHIL

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 5:11 PM

If they want the job they shoudl not be allowed to have it....EVER!

As a matter of fact they should be exiled for even concidering the nominations!

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 5:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NVGhostRider: The best trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing people he didn't exist.

omg, i cannot remember where that's from.

i agree though. I watched a debate between those two, and I'm really not impressed by either of them, nor am I impressed with any of the things I've heard them say. But the reality is one of them is going to end up in office, and we're going to have to live with that choice for at least four years ><

got a pondering question though: who would u like to have seen run for pres?

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:14 PM

Back to Ross Perot. Easy to read. Knows business like no other. has little mans syndrome so the first country to fuck with us gets dirt rolled as an example to others.

Kidding.

Just sucks donkey dong that we constantly have to put up with whoever the parties can pay the most for.

I guess we should just count ourselves lucky Hillary couldn't get on the ballot.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:17 PM

*shudders* if hillary were on the ballot i wouldn't be living in this country.

nother ponder, and i hear/recieve this question a lot, just don't pay close enough attention to comment: what's *your* opinion on palin & biden? if u have one :-P

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
*shudders* if hillary were on the ballot i wouldn't be living in this country.

nother ponder, and i hear/recieve this question a lot, just don't pay close enough attention to comment: what's *your* opinion on palin & biden? if u have one :-P

Fear. I don't really care for either of them to be on deck for the presidency. Especially not with these two candidates. McCain might just die of old age 3 days after being sworn in and there are enough racist psychos out there that the secret service is going to have their hands full keeping Obama alive. This is the first time in my life that I really wonder if either candidate could survive a term in office.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:26 PM

given the possibilities, who do you want to be the successor? or do neither of the vp's tickle ur fancy either?

i hate the 'mccain is old' excuse. sounds like a cop out.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:37 PM

The whole thing is a joke. Spin and jokes and rumors. It really matters little in the end. I wish there wasn't so much put on this damn thing. People just end up disappointed. We should all just bend over and take it because regardless of who runs the country we'll still end up sore and shamed.

How about this: Halloween. I was looking forward to it a bit more than I am now. My sisters kids might not be here and that is mostly what I was looking forward to.

That and yes, I miss them (pokes MSB because she is right despite not having said anything). They took off for Kalifornia last week and I don't know when they'll be coming back. My sister sent for some of her documents and chances are she is planning something I'm not supposed to know about. She is with the family of the guy she got into trouble with a few years ago which means he is probably there in Selma or is in Mexico and she is planning on going there with the kids. Either way I am not happy and want to drill someone in the fucking head over and over and over.

Anyhoo, Halloween. What is everyone doing?

HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 8:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NVGhostRider: "The best trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing people he didn't exist."

Originally posted by freelancertex: omg, i cannot remember where that's from. i agree though. (...)

...but if everyone knows that saying, it's not much of a trick, now, is it?

As for gender affecting decisions - I don't think so. Not for intelligent people, anyway.

What we actually need to do is get rid of career politicians. "Politician" should not be a job. Nominate and elect regular people who already have regular jobs; no more salaries for being a "politician" and no more of that partisan hidden agenda dirty dealing in it just for yourself bullshit.

I approve of this message.

Brought to you by the Coalition for HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.

MSB

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 8:53 PM

See I write in Cthulu...why vote for the lesser evil??

Yeah I was all set to take the kids shopping for their costumes...sigh:( Hmm guess I'll just have to dress the dogs ( I'm kidding as NV has said it injurs their dignety to wear a little vampire cape or little red riding hood and carry a basket on their collar)

Ok if this week gets any worse I'm calling in dead. Cases exploding, extra fees on top of extra fees on top of a giant and unexpectedly large cell phone bill... argh

Anyway... at least we have friend coming tonight and our new furniture has been delivered:)
NV ( also at this point I think Jonny Cash's coyote should be president)

____________________________________________

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 9:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NVGhostRider: Anyhoo, Halloween. What is everyone doing?

It's me and Andy's 4th anniversary ^_^ yup, silly kid asked me out on Halloween :-P

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten: but if everyone knows that saying, it's not much of a trick, now, is it?

lolz, point and match XD

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 9:25 PM

It's going to be okay. Been working on some stuff and calming my ass down.

Then again, dressing up the dogs might offer some comic relief.

(Listens to HK's stance)
Oh I'm defiantely writting you in now.

MSB

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 9:47 PM

That's it...we're all agreed HK for president

This day must end right??

____________________________________________

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:52 PM

day is over. its not the first anymore, its the second :-P YAY 3 days till the birthday ^_^ *does a dance*

about the dressing up dogs for halloween thing, it works out if u dont have a psychotic dog that tries to rip off whatever u put on his back and spazzes out so much he falls over and gets stuck @_@ that would be my little hairball of a pet.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, October 2, 2008 3:20 PM

Good morning people.

I'm not sure how she kept a costume on Milo. He's so wirey and jumpy. Lucky is mellow but I can see her rubbing against stuff to get it off. Crazy dogs.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, October 2, 2008 3:35 PM

lol. crazy dogs are the best XD

ZEEK

Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MSB:
That's it...we're all agreed HK for president

Colbert '08!! Besides we can't have a female president. There's never been a female president there for there can never be a female president. I've taken logic and that's rock solid right there. You can look it up. Though I recommend you don't. *runs*

HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:48 PM

... I can't seem to find any flaws in your logic.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:49 PM

Morning everyone.

Politics: There's a scene from The West Wing (in season 2 I think, during the flashback to the original Bartlet campaign) where Leo (John Spencer, the Chief of Staff on the show) says he's "sick of voting for the lesser of who cares." That's how I've felt about US politics my entire life, since my mom explained to me who President Regan was when I was still a tiny thing.

Now don't get me wrong, I was originally an international affairs major in college, and gave serious thought to one type of government service or another, but I've always found national politics to be petty and meaningless. This is the first election in my lifetime that I actually give a shit about (well, 4 years ago I had pretty strong opinions, but it was a definite "lesser of two evils" -- or perhaps, "lesser of two idiots" -- situation). So in that Aaron Sorkin spirit of being sick and tired of "the lesser of who cares", I've been a Barack Obama supporter for two years now. For the first time in my entire life, it feels different to me. It feels real.

I've seen more than a couple of people say that Obama is just like all the rest, he just hides it better. "No one can be that good and still be in politics." What if he really is that good? I don't want to be so frickin cynical that I throw away my chance to have something great. I wouldn't do it in love, and I won't do it in politics. I'm sure he knows how politics works, and I'm not blind to the necessities that come with being a career politician. But there's more going on there, IMO. There's a light in his eyes that we haven't seen in a President in the last 20 years at least. I can't pass that up. And even if Obama turns out to be a manipulative politician, I still would consider him to be head-and-shoulders above the badly reanimated corpse that is John McCain.

Another interesting thing to me about this election cycle is that a year ago, I actually liked John McCain. I don't think I would ever have voted for him, because while I hold a couple of traditionally Republican views, most of my views are more Democrat and Libertarian, so I've yet to find a Republican I can agree with enough to feel comfortable voting for him or her. But I thought McCain was a decent guy, just with political views I don't agree with. As the campaign has worn on, I've found myself liking him less and less. Where did the Maverick go? Why can't he answer questions off the cuff? And what the is the deal with choosing Sarah Palin?? After last Friday's debate, I straight up hate the man. That's what politics can to do someone who isn't strong enough, IMO. It can take him from a free-thinking maverick and turn him into a lifeless meat puppet, spouting the bigoted party line and showing absolutely no respect for the intelligence of the voting public.

(The above is just my opinion. No offense meant to anyone. I generally do not talk about politics with anyone outside my husband, my father, one of my 3 brothers, and one very close friend -- I don't even talk to my mother or other four siblings about politics -- because opinions can be strongly felt and discussion can get heated quickly. This was meant to express my views on the current election, and not to offend anyone.)

I know it's easy to just check out of the whole thing, to paint all politicians with the same brush and withhold your vote as a protest. But not voting doesn't help anyone. And especially in a swing state like Nevada (I'm lookin at you, NVG! ), I think not voting is irresponsible. There's actually the possibility of an electoral college tie this year (269-269), so I think it's hugely important for all Americans who can legally vote to research both candidates -- and both VPs, who I think will be more important this election cycle than any other VP ever -- and decide who they believe will do the best job with the country, and then cast a vote for that person. Not voting just isn't an option, IMO.

Anyhow, enough of that.

Halloween: Through

HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Politics: (...) I think not voting is irresponsible.

I think voting in ignorance is even more irresponsible.
(not aimed at anyone here, just a statement)

I actually heard a woman on the radio this morning saying that no Amerrkin should vote for Bare-rack Hussein O-bama because we're fighting those people (meaning him) in Iraq. That is ignorance at its best. That is someone I don't think should be allowed a vote.

Quote:
Halloween: Through some really odd twists, hubby and I will be going as a sultan-type and a bellydancer.

Forgive me if I'm over-stepping my bounds,
but I'm pretty sure the thread demands pictures of this. ^^

HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

ZEEK

Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:09 PM

The funny thing about my "bah women" post above is that my Dad seriously talks like that. He flipped out about Palin. He's a republican and he was like "I don't even know what I'm going to do now".

He seriously recommended that McCain could back out of it by having a press conference where he claimed to be drunk when he made the choice. Oh yeah that would go over so well. Everyone wants to hear that a potential president makes big decisions while drunk. Idiot.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
I think voting in ignorance is even more irresponsible.
(not aimed at anyone here, just a statement)

I actually heard a woman on the radio this morning saying that no Amerrkin should vote for Bare-rack Hussein O-bama because we're fighting those people (meaning him) in Iraq. That is ignorance at its best. That is someone I don't think should be allowed a vote.

Yeah totally agree. I like that there are laws against excluding people from voting because of language or education, but some people, seriously, should not be allowed to vote. Educate yourselves people! (Hence the comment above about researching both and making an educated decision.)

I saw a statistic a few months ago: 18% of American adults surveyed think the earth is flat. Seriously. And in case that statistic seems out of whack, 1 out of 5 The View hosts isn't sure if the earth is round, either.

So in light of that, the 14% of American adults who think that Obama is Muslim isn't quite so scary. I just disregard 18% of the population on principle.

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Forgive me if I'm over-stepping my bounds,
but I'm pretty sure the thread demands pictures of this. ^^

Lol I'll see what I can do! I'm sure there'll be pictures, I've just got to get over the "omg, my face is on the internets!" fear of mine.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
The funny thing about my "bah women" post above is that my Dad seriously talks like that. He flipped out about Palin. He's a republican and he was like "I don't even know what I'm going to do now".

He seriously recommended that McCain could back out of it by having a press conference where he claimed to be drunk when he made the choice. Oh yeah that would go over so well. Everyone wants to hear that a potential president makes big decisions while drunk. Idiot.

Geez Zeek, it's almost like you live in Texas or something!

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ZEEK

Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
I saw a statistic a few months ago: 18% of American adults surveyed think the earth is flat. Seriously. And in case that statistic seems out of whack, 1 out of 5 The View hosts isn't sure if the earth is round, either.

Are you claiming it isn't? I'd like to see your proof. :-P

I'm the type who would always be messing up these surveys. I'd be on the "undecided" side or just wouldn't answer if I was forced to choose one or the other. How would I possibly know if the Earth is flat or not? I've never been into space. I've never seen it myself. It could all be a huge conspiracy for all I know.

ZEEK

Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Geez Zeek, it's almost like you live in Texas or something!

Sadly he's from NY and is now in CA and has never even lived in TX. It's also kinda funny cause my brother is up in IL and is pushing hard of Obama. So, I go from talking to my Dad and trying to come up with a response to his crazy ramblings and then talking to my brother and have to do the same for his ramblings from the other side of the scales.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:57 PM

Ah, well at least his red-ness will be countered by all the blue-ness of CA.

My family is the same way though. My dad is a Dem, though fairly socially conservative. The brother just younger than me tends to hold conservative views, but cares more about the quality of person the politician is than his actual specific views, so he's been on the fence about Obama for months now. The rest of my family are staunch conservatives. One of my other brothers joined a Facebook group called "Stop Obama Now!". I am not talking to him until after the election, probably not until Thanksgiving, lol. But thankfully all my conservative family members are safely sequestered in Texas and Utah, so their red-ness can't sway the already crazy red-ness of their states.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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