Heroes season 3 discussion (previously Heroes/ X-3 comparison thread)
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, October 10, 2008 22:09
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Quote:It's surprisingly better on the fifth viewing...
Originally posted by OPPYH:
I will never discuss Spiderman 3, because it's such a mind numbingingly stupid film on every level, that even the action sequences couldn't save it.
Goblinisall
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I could see myself, the first season, growing board with Peter, because by the end of the first season he was already god. Now Sylar has become god. What do you when two characters are god? About the only thing you can do with them is have then exchange roles – the good one become bad, the bad one become good. But this really isn’t going to work, because it puts you right back where you were with two characters who essentially can solve any problem no matter how difficult. But with the except that you don’t care for the good guy because we was the bad guy and you no longer care for the bad guy because he betrayed the good side. The story starts to evolve beyond any allegory to the human condition, and loses any sympathy with the audience.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I've decided to continue to watch the show, in the hopes that this likely scenario you paint, by chance, doesn't occur....
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The story starts to evolve beyond any allegory to the human condition, and loses any sympathy with the audience.
Grrrr...it sucks to be a fan sometimes
Fingers crossedisall
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Quote:I agree. I will continue watching it. I hope the writers are more creative then they appear so far this season. But I have Monday night activities planned through the next couple of months. So I'll have to record Heroes - and I don't know how long I'll go through the trouble of doing that. So we'll see. I will be happy, if at the end of this season I can apologize for being so wrong about this show.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I've decided to continue to watch the show, in the hopes that this likely scenario you paint, by chance, doesn't occur....
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The story starts to evolve beyond any allegory to the human condition, and loses any sympathy with the audience.
Grrrr...it sucks to be a fan sometimes
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I'm hoping that somewhere Kring will see the mistake in his correction of the storytelling from season 2 (insert smartass emoticon), and write for the characters again, and not merely the ratings.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I will be happy, if at the end of this season I can apologize for being so wrong about this show.
Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's surprisingly better on the fifth viewing...
Four viewings too many
"Son of Jor-El...Kneel before Zod!"
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Monday's ep had it's moments- and I liked the HRG/Sylar pairing- I'm back on board, but just for the weirdness, I don't expect we'll see storytellin' like in season one again, but it still might be fun, in a pulp-y sort of way.
Resigned Chrisisall
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I wasn't thrilled with last week's episode for 2 big reasons:
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1. Sylar is now Nathan and Peter's long lost brother.
2. Tracy is Niki's identical twin/clone whatever and they were experiments seperated at birth.
These 2 plot devices are so cheesy and soap operaish it's almost laughable.
However, last night's episode was sterling in my book.
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The Sylar/Peter relationship had a bigger payoff than I expected. First, because in the future Peter had to go to him for help. Second, because after he obtained Sylar's ability it did exactly what Sylar warned him about. Now, in the present we will hopefully get to see their relationship evolve.
How about Sylar going nuclear over that kid. I'm still trying to figure out if it was actually his biological son or if Gabriel took him in out of guilt. For just a second I thought somehow Claire was with him...how the hell is Mr. Muggles his pet?
Speaking of Claire she grew up pretty quickly. Is her new personality simply a result Sylar's action? I want to know what Peter did to deserve such enmity. It wasn't enough that she killed his future self, she then tortures him for no other reason than her own pleasure.
I've seen several complaints from people crying about the lack of further character development in the new season. After 2 years we should know most of these people pretty well. What I am enjoying this season is having put into foreign territory and watching their adaptations. Other than the 2 points I listed there hasn't been any cause to complain about this season yet.
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This show is SO all over the place, I can't figure out if I even like that or not, but it certainly has my attention. Plus, Zack is being put to good use.
Heroisall
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X-men 3 was a really good film, and I say that with total knowledge of just how dumb that will sound to some people. Despite it seemingly shalow glossy aesthetic (and some undeniable flaws eg vinnie jones) i felt it actually had a lot more depth than the first two films. It was more true to the charcters (and didnt take as many liberties with the plot as many believe) had more emotional drama and explored the themes of the x-men stories in ways that the first two films only teased us with. The first two films, like Heroes were very good at giving the impression of being weighty and important, but scratch the surface and theres very little there.
As for Heroes, i can't really comment on Season 3 because I quit after season 1. I find Heroes to be pretentious, slow, preposterous, convoluted, derivative, repetitive nonsense. It showed potential in its early episodes, but completely failed to live up to it. It promised to take these ideas and do something new and interesting with them, but never did. It desperately wants to be Watchmen for TV but it doesnt even come close. If the creators accepted that its actually just silly light entertainment and presented it as such it could be watchable. But at the moment its like Battlefield Earth trying to be The Godfather
"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."
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