Ahmadinejad: 'American Empire' Nearing Its End
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 4, 2026 13:29
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Quote:Not trying to be contrary but that was actualy one answer where he gained ground with me last night. What I got from him was that in Iran there is no "PDA" or references to sexuality allowed by law for every Iranian citizen gay or straight. That is typical for Islamic Republics and Monarchys'. He added that what happens behind closed doors is not interfered with. It makes them backwards IMO but not lawless.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm sure you also thought it was funny when Immanutjob said Iran " didn't have any homosexuals ".
Those Persians, one hi-larious gut buster after another.
However AURaptor...I watched the translation from the Columbia University gig where he clearly stated while shrugging and giggling that "we don't have Homosexuals in Iran". This man should not be underestimated. He knows exactly what to say to initiate partisan debate amongst Americans. Like when he played to the doubts about the Iraqii war by saying "why don't you go back to America and tend to issues like healthcare, your economy, and education. Yeah! that's because A'J'dod cares about Americans so much.
I know a few modern capitalist young Iranian students going to school here who can't wait to toss thier Islamic leaders out as fast as I want to toss out our evangelical leaders here.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
www.thefreedictionary.com/empire
REPUBLIC
Noun 1. republic - a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them
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Last I checked, your Administration didn't actually represent the people, nor did any other branch. That is unless you restrict the definition 'people' to 'corporate interests'.
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BTW- I'm certainly not trying to portray Imadinnerjacket as always being accurate. Yanno what they say: Even a stopped watch is correct twice a day.
Nor am I trying to say that our troops are unwelcome everywhere. I'm sure Germany and Japan appreciate the chance to use more of their GNP for production, education, and a better living standard, and are happy to shuffle off the onerous taks of "defense" on us. But we DID have to go and stick our big fat noses into the Middle East, where we are truly NOT welcome. And we DO have troops in a lot of other palces, and a long history of backing really unsavory characters: Somoza, the Shah, Saddam, Suharto, Pinochet, Marcos, Park Chung Hee, the Royal House of Saud, Osama bin Laden and his band of Merrie Men, General Castello Branco etc. The list goes on and on.
So, yeah, peeps around the world are pissed off at us. Nobody should be surprsised.
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Originally posted by Hero:
In the last 100 years America has fought and won the largest wars in human history, utterly vanquished our enemies, and taken not one inch of territorial conquest.
And you guys did that all alone. Not a bit of help from anyone. No not at all. And in all those conflicts, you were there from the beginning. It's not like a major attack on a Naval installation was required to get you into even one. And its not like there were other conflicts concerning freedom, etc that the US didn't get into *coughfalklandislandscough*. And you guys certainly haven't taken any territory either *cougheghawaiicough*. No, you guys are completely and totally benevolent.
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Originally posted by Hero:
We are an ally to many, hence our deployments. Yet we dictate to nobody.
Nonsense. The US dictates to everyone always with a threat, if even implied, of punishment by trade, etc or even war. And lets not get into the US ignoring any WTO ruling when it's not in the US' favour even when ignoring the ruling screws its own industry *coughsoftwoodlumbercough*.
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Originally posted by Hero:
I would argue that America's postion in the world is unique in human history. It simply does not fit the definition of empire.
Not particularly. The US really is the modern Roman (on the world stage at least).
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Originally posted by Hero:
Sometimes it would be so much easier if we were an empire...
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Actually, it'd probably be easier if the US weren't. Seems to work well enough for the rest of the West. You know, we actually talk instead of just threatening or using the broadsword.
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Originally posted by Hero:
In those cases the second best option from a foriegn policy standpoint is to support a pro-US leader.
... by fraudulently getting them into office as a puppet of the US.
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And in many cases, Ghana is a good example, we continued to use our influence to exert change to Democratic processes.
So much for freedom then, eh.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm sure Germany and Japan appreciate the chance to use more of their GNP for production, education, and a better living standard, and are happy to shuffle off the onerous taks of "defense" on us.
I'll ask the wife, but I don't believe that US forces are used like that in Germany.
EDIT: The official word is that the US is Germany helping out (deterrence), but what actually goes on is the US just sits there trying to look tough. So, either way, the forces aren't be used in any functional capacity.
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No the forces in Germany are there to make sure the Germans live with democracy.
You think I'm kidding, don't you? Until the end of the Franco Prussian war there was no Germany, and up until the end of WWI, all the Germanies had been monarchies. Germany had a brief experiment with democracy for about 13 years and then went to Nazism. After that democracy and representative government was force on them by treads of a tank and barrel of a rifle in 1945. East Germany finally got a taste when they unified in 1990.
What's with you all anyway? Just because a person's political beliefs don't fall lock step with your own doesn't give you the right to be a horse's ass, no matter how much "They do it first".
Also, in the spirit of this thread: bugger off Sigma; if I didn't know for a fact that arguing on the internet is a waste of time I'd bother with that load of tripe you just posted.
Pax.
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Quote:The short answer is no. The Roman Empire followed the Roman Republic; it did not coincide with it.
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
Weren't the Romans an empire as well as a Republic?...ummm...at times?
The long answer is that the Roman Republic was never a Republic. It was ruled by unelected patriarchs, not elected representatives. The Roman Republic was heading in the direction of a true democratic republic until Sulla, but it never got there. So the two forms of government that distinguish the Roman Empire from the Roman Republic are probably not distinct enough to avoid categorizing the late Roman Republic as an Empire.
The Republic is probably the most misunderstood. The Romans never had a republic like what we think of today. They did not elect representatives. The Roman Republic was a patriarchal oligarchy; the word senator translates as the elder of a family, and the concept of the republic was nothing more then the continuation of the early Roman tribal leadership by clan elders or chieftains to a larger scale. These elders, or senators, were the ruling members of the elite families (read: clans), the so-called patrician families. The word Republic comes from the Latin words Res Publica, which translates as “a public thing.” Roman Publica was divided up into two large groups – the Patricians or fathers (the ruling class) and citizens or Plebeians (the working class). The idea existed – that the government was a public thing – that the public should own or control or have a say in the government. But the implementation was nothing like what we have today. Of course there were times when plebeians had greater power – the agrarian reforms, the Gracchi brothers, during which the tribunes gained considerable power – enough to move Rome towards a true democracy. But it was superficial, because it never really took power from the patricians.
The concept of Empire is easier to see. It comes from the Roman word Imperator, which means a military general. An Empire then is a nation ruled by a military general, a military dictatorship, as it were. So the idea of an Empire being expansive is simply a consequence of the Roman military dictatorship being expansive more then any real definitive quality of an Empire. There’s no reason why an Empire need be large.
The fantasy that the US represents an empire because it has troops in foreign nations is absurd. The Roman Empire was not an empire because it had troops in other nations, but rather because it replaced the native ruling party with a Roman governor, which answered only to the sitting Roman Emperor or Consul (in other words the military), as far as ultimate control of the territory was concerned. The US does not do this. Just because we have troops in other nations does not mean we replace that nation’s government with a US military dictatorship. Even in situations where we actually have replaced the native government, such as Iraq, Germany, Japan, etc, we don’t do so with a US governor, much less a military dictatorship. Furthermore the concept of an empire is one of military dictatorship; the US is not a military dictatorship. Calling the US an empire is factually incorrect and more often then not an attempt to malign the US for political reasons.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Well, first I'd make sure of the translation, since I damn well know better than to believe anything MEMRI shovels.
Second, everybody knows he likes to needle us and piss us off, which might earn him points at home but isn't too smart on a globally political scale.
He wanted to be really insulting, he would have patronisingly offered us some economic advisors and an economic aid package... while gently insinuating that we're a bunch of ignorant redneck cowboys in possession of a country we more or less outright stole instead of growing up in, and have no native culture we didn't rob from someone else.
So he's just yanking our chain a little for poll points at home, and so what ?
It's not like he's as politically smart or dangerous as Chavez, and neither one of em really give a shit about us as long as we stay the fuck out of their business or their country, so let em talk, cause that's all it is... talk.
Only a complete fucking moron would start something real over it.
Oh.. wait, shit, yeah, we GOT to get Shrub outta that chair, don't we... before he does something else... stupid.
Grrr 
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As far as Ahmedinejad, all I’ll say is evil dictators far more powerful then he have said the same thing, following the collapse of their own Empire. I fart in his general direction.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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