Heroes season 3 discussion (previously Heroes/ X-3 comparison thread)
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, October 10, 2008 22:09
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Even tie. SPIDERMAN 3 had good parts to it. It just didn't congeal together into a satisfying whole. I'm almost dreading the parts 4 and 5 in the works.
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Loudon Wainwright III - "Strange Weirdos" off the "Knocked Up" soundtrack
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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Even tie. SPIDERMAN 3 had good parts to it.
Dancing emo-Peter disagrees with you.
I also fear for the Venom stand alone movie.
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I will to this day argue that within Spider-man 3 and X3 there are good movies. With some editing (and by editing I mean the removing of parts. I'm looking at you Flint Marko as you shoot a certain uncle, or you Rogue as you give up your powers) you could find good, short movies. Not great, but better than they are.
As for Heroes season 2, I think it gets too much of a bad rap b/c season 1 was so new and exciting to everyone. It was built up so much that it was too hard for season 2 to meet our expectations, even though the writers tried to please everyone which lead to too many plot lines. So, after being disappointed in season 2 we are all going in to season 3 expecting less, and we'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Actually, I didn't mind Rogue giving up her powers. My big beef was a rushed tone that said "screw character and story, let's get to the next action sequence", the mutants as minority group metaphor being blunt, as opposed to subtle, and the two major plotlines (the mutant cure and The Dark Phoenix) that deserved to be two separate films. As well as characters acting completely different and being killed off arbitrarily (like Cyclops).
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"And it starts with a sentence that might last a lifetime, or it all might just go down in flames. If I let you know me, then why would you want me? Each day I don't is a shame. Each day I don't is a great shame."
Loudon Wainwright III - "Strange Weirdos" off the "Knocked Up" soundtrack
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Quote:Yes, it is true. I’m skeptical. It’s funny that you picked up on that. But this sort of strikes me as the season where Willow went bad. I don’t like it when the good guys go bad – that’s just a little too close to the real world for me. I like my fantasy to be fantasy.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay, super powers all around. Peeps griped at Heroes 2nd season being inferior to the first (I agree, but I still liked it), but I also remembering peeps griping at X-Men 3 as well.
So, which was better?
And more importantly, who's giving Heroes season 3 a a definite chance (I'm lookin' at you, Finn)?
I hate Lost. I’ve hated it from the beginning. Now I really liked Heroes S1 and S2, but S2 was way too short. You need to have more then a half a season of development before your heroes start going all bonkers on you. The second thing is that, this new development seems to me to be a little like the soap opera dream sequences. Are we going to get up one Monday with Claire getting out of the shower to inform us that it was all just a dream because someone went back in time to conveniently fix everything?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Yep.
Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I will to this day argue that within Spider-man 3 and X3 there are good movies.
Quote:Yep.
As for Heroes season 2, I think it gets too much of a bad rap b/c season 1 was so new and exciting to everyone. It was built up so much that it was too hard for season 2 to meet our expectations, even though the writers tried to please everyone which lead to too many plot lines.
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So, after being disappointed in season 2 we are all going in to season 3 expecting less, and we'll be pleasantly surprised.
Nope.
I just watched the season 3 premiers last night....it it a tearful Chrisisall that types that as far as I'm concerned, Kring has sold out to the action genre to generate ratings, IMO.
Where were Mohinder's metaphysical ponderings that used to frame the shows?
Why up the WTF factor in favour of character?
Season 2 looked like gold compared to this.
Sadly, I give up on this series as of now...if it returns to telling stories about PEOPLE, please let me know and I might buy the season on DVD in the future.
Dejected Chrisisall
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Quote:Yep. Me too.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I like my fantasy to be fantasy.
Chrisisall
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I haven't seen X3 yet so can't make the comparison.
As for Heroes, I share Chris' disappointment with the Season 3 premiere. I will continue to watch for a while to see if there is improvement, or at least a method to the madness.
Season 2 was less of a disappointment for what they were not able to do with the shortened season than it was a frustration that they did not take the opportunity to clean house a bit. Every one of the characters that should have logically died in the Season 1 finale survived, and it seems they are going to continue that trend. Even if Nikki died in the fire at the end of last year the actress is still on the show, but now as a new character? WTF? And Linderman, when last seen had D. L.'s fist smashing through the back of his skull, returns as a figment of Nathan's imagination. All of this just reeks of them not having the guts to eliminate major characters. Joss and Tim need to take over to show them how it is done.
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Quote:One of the great moments in season 1 was when Nathan grabbed Peter & did the up up and away- it was a moment of heroic sacrifice & love for his brother as well as mankind. That they didn't actually die (as per season 2) didn't take that away for me, as they had no way of knowing that they WOULD live through it...but now, everyone's surviving everything...!!! And getting extra powers!!! (Somebody on the NBC site said that Maya now even has the power of the English language, LOL). And Claire not feeling pain was a FLIMSY excuse to have her have a twisted conversation w/Sylar as he absorbed powers from her exposed brain, lame, man.
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Every one of the characters that should have logically died in the Season 1 finale survived
Chrisisall
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Problem with X3, and Spidey 3 is that the screenplays of both were complete, and utter shit. It's nearly impossible to make a coherent movie from a non stop changing script. I can cope with X3 for the bang, and pizazz action stuff, but that's all it accomplished. Big budget, big effects, and a story that my comic book reading friend could best 100 times over.
I will never discuss Spiderman 3, because it's such a mind numbingingly stupid film on every level, that even the action sequences couldn't save it.
My opinion of course....no offense to those who thought those films were good.
Heroes 2nd season without a doubt.
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