Simon and River's Parents Involved in River's Abduction

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SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:31 PM

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Originally posted by Xeyra:
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Originally posted by BrowncoatBear:
Platonist,

It is pretty clear from my understanding that River showed no psychic abilities until her time in the academy. There is no refernce to such ability in any of the back story.

You're forgetting the R. Tam Sessions. The quote I have in my signature is from there. River had since an early age shown to have a powerful intuition. The interviewer in the first Session seemed to have been extremely interested in this talent of River's. She may not have been a true psychic until the experiences in the Academy but she had shown that she had a talent for it. Like Joss Whedon says of Jubal Early in the OiS commentary: "so intuitive as to be almost psychic". In River's case, the Academy turned the almost into real.

You're reading way too much into things. There is are techniques called hot and cold reading. For that matter, I've been able to get off of someone within seconds of meeting them a general feel of who they are with exceedingly high accuracy. It doesn't actually take much but paying attention to the fine details of human behaviour. As in, we all like to think that we are unique, but we are actually very far from it. Now, imagine if I had training to hone those senses!

All that happened at the Academy was that River couldn't shut off, nor filter the input from those senses (Simon: Ariel). So, imagine what training that could do, if even the incomplete training that she received.

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"We don't fear the reaper"

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:38 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Gabriel Tam is not a real likable character imho. At first he's a bit too nice and then the ugly control freak comes out.

Um, what?

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"We don't fear the reaper"

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:39 PM

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Originally posted by rallem:

River starts going crazy about the reavers and the dinosaurs

When did this happen again? Because, I don't recall any such thing.

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"We don't fear the reaper"

RALLEM

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:37 PM

I have the series with me and will start watchin gthe second dvd soon. If I see it I will post it.

http://swyzzlestyx.com/index.html

RALLEM

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:06 PM

In the beginning of Shindig is when I am talking about, but I was mistaken. River said the independent had cut them off with the use of dinosaurs and they would have to resort to canabalism.

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SHINYSEVEN2

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:54 PM

The episode with the flashback with Little Simon and Tiny River is "Safe" and I don't think she's crazy or hysterical--she's just playing an imaginative game.

RALLEM

Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:05 AM

I just saw that I made that mistake. I meant to click play for shindig and instead did so for safe. My bad.

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SIGMANUNKI

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:11 AM

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Originally posted by shinyseven2:
The episode with the flashback with Little Simon and Tiny River is "Safe" and I don't think she's crazy or hysterical--she's just playing an imaginative game.

Agreed. I'd say she was more like Wash with the Dinosaurs than "crazy."

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I am on The Original List (twice). We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

KRELLEK

Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:01 AM

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Originally posted by BrowncoatBear:

I am a conspiracy theorist.

For good reasons, I believe that Simon and River's parents were working with the Alliance, and had agreed to let them abduct her and experiment on her. I believe that there was some consideration given to Mr. and Mrs. Tam in exchange for their complicity.

My personal opinion, if I am as fimiliar with Joss' thinking and writing style as I think I am, is that he was intending to build a sub-plot based on a wider conspiracy involving the Tams, and perhaps parents of other "eligible" Alliance children. There are clues to this buried in the screenplays, but I find the most support for my theory in the episode "Safe", which I will detail as this thread evolves.

Does anyone agree? What is your evidence for, or against?

interesting thoughts, very, if they where implicit in it, then lets hope notthing similar in some fasion, would ever happen in the real world.

ZZETTA13

Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:04 AM

Shepherd Book sat down at Serenity’s galley table.

“Your turn.” Kaylee said.

“ My turn?” The preacher questioned.

“ Yes, every person sitting at the table here has each told a story.” She looked at Simon, River and Jayne.

“Well, River hasn’t but she’s aloud to sit this one out. So it’s your turn. Fact or fable, doesn’t really matter.”

The table was noticeably absent of the captain, Zoe, Wash and Inara.

Shepherd Book looked at each face in turn.

“Ok, my tale will be told of one, the Wolfe family. Anyone hear it before?”

All heads nodded negatively.

“ Good, I’ll start. It was a cold, dark night. The Wolfe family were walking….on their way to shelter. Father Wolfe sensed something, he looked at mother Wolfe. He could see that she felt it too. They quicken their pace. The young children, a boy and a girl, could barely keep up,…..and after a time it was evident that the family could not outdistance the predators. There was a tree, papa Wolfe pushed the children up, then assisted mama into the branches above. When they were all of a sufficient height, the Wolfe family turned and looked down below. There on the ground was a pack of rugged animals. Their teeth bared back in a menacing grin. WOLVES…The patriarch of the Wolfe family exclaimed. He looked at the biggest beast. “BEGONE YOU DEVIL DOGS” He shouted to the leader. The giant beast gazed up into the tree.

“ All we want is food!” He barked at the four in the branches.

“We have no food!” Called the man to the hungry pack.

“Ohhhhhh....but you have. Tiny morsels up there that will be enough to satisfy the hunger of me and my brothers toss them down and you and the woman may be on your way…he said.”

Jayne was intrigued by the preacher story. He sat up close in his chair next to the table. The preacher continued.

“ Father Wolfe pulled his children in tight into his warm being….then with a flexing of his arms he tossed the children out of the tree and into the pack of waiting animals.” Shepherd Book looked around to the faces at the table.

“ It was a cold, dark….night. The Wolfe family continued on their journey. The howls of the animal pack and the cries of their prey had become lost in the distance. Father Wolfe looked at mother Wolfe, there was no sound of them being followed. The End.”

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