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I (heart) HKCavalier
Especially if you wear the chaps! 
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Liberals are not Socialist, that's the mad raving of a horse molester"
Am I wrong in equating Liberal ideals and the Democratic party's ideals?
I had believed (though now I doubt myself with this comment) that the Liberal philosophy included support for Socialist programs, including a tax structure that places unequal burden on the wealthiest individuals, under the premise that they can afford it.
Socialism is a social and economic system with some similarities to, though distinct from, Communism.
Liberals may believe in equality and social programs, but that's a far cry from implementing a socialist planned economy.
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I wouldn't say that 'Liberals' share much with the Democratic Party, in fact I wouldn't say there is a Liberal party in the US. I'd also add that taxing rich and poor the same would actually be putting an unequal tax burden on the poor.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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oh dear, I am a floozy
i (heart) citizen too
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"Also, please note that we already have multitudes of socialist programs in this country. Who picks up your trash? Do you pay a private company for it, and pay dependent on how much trash you throw away?"
Hello,
Yes, I am aware that the country has many socialist programs already. I am not always fond of them.
I do in fact pay a private company to pick up my trash, albeit indirectly. I pay the city, and the city pays a private contractor who won a bid. I sometimes wonder what has been lost in the transaction.
More appalling is the sewage program in my hometown of Hialeah, Florida. My father used to have a Septic tank. However, the city began to charge him for the use of the community sewer system, even though he made no use of it. Because he was forced to pay, he abandoned the septic tank and connected to the sewer system. Once compliance was uniform, the city began charging based on how much sewage you generated. How did they meter this? Based on water consumption.
It felt very much like a Mafia Don telling you that you were going to buy the widget made by his widget factory.
I enjoy having a police force, but I don't enjoy having a large police force. If I had my way, there would be fewer laws and fewer reasons to hire police officers. I do enjoy having a well-staffed Fire Department. I've never thought to myself, "I wish they'd have just let that building burn." The military is another 'socialist' program. I would like to shrink the military, though. I don't really think we need to have the ability to fight two wars at all times, or a two-front war. I think we have too many ships, and too many planes. I think we could make due with less.
Anyhow, the existence or absence of socialist programs currently in our country does not help explain to me whether Liberals or Democrats support a socialist agenda, which is, in short, "Give us your money, and we will re-distribute it according to need."
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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"I do in fact pay a private company to pick up my trash, albeit indirectly. I pay the city, and the city pays a private contractor who won a bid. I sometimes wonder what has been lost in the transaction."
A portion of your money, which goes to the company's profit. It doesn't provide you with any service, it just gets pocketed.
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" I think we have too many ships, and too many planes. I think we could make due with less."
Tell that to the men and women that are on too many, too long deployments because the military went through drawdown and now does not have enough people to do the job.
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Hello,
I've often suspected that the City also pockets a portion, which they use to fund whatever they couldn't get funding for through a public vote. City finances often feel slushy to me.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
" I think we have too many ships, and too many planes. I think we could make due with less."
Tell that to the men and women that are on too many, too long deployments because the military went through drawdown and now does not have enough people to do the job.
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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi
Hello,
I'd be happy to tell them that.
For one, no one is suffering from a shortage of ships or planes. We have a surplus of those. We don't need all the ships and planes we have.
What you didn't see me request was fewer people, or fewer armored vehicles to move those people. In fact, I'd like to see a mostly veteran military, composed of people who found the pay and benefits of military service to be comperable or superior to those of civilian jobs.
I'd also like to point out that if we stopped invading and occupying foreign countries, we wouldn't have a manpower shortage. So the problem isn't even how many military personnel we have. It's what we do with them.
I'd like to shrink the military. I'd like what we keep to be of higher quality. I'd also like people to be inspired to make a lifelong career out of the military, so that we don't have to force them to perform extra tours.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Smaller military case in point: Aircraft Carriers
Hello,
Aircraft Carriers are wonderous ways to extend an envelope of force, creating air superiority and ground support in distant regions. They can also perform humanitarian assistance.
But according to my count, we are currently fielding twelve aircraft carriers.
Twelve.
Can anyone tell me the operating cost to man and operate twelve carriers?
Does anyone think we really couldn't make do with half that number?
How much money would we save, per year, if we simply cut the Navy in half? Wouldn't we still outstrip the combat capabilities of rival navies?
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Sorry, I should have quoted this part "I would like to shrink the military, though. I don't really think we need to have the ability to fight two wars at all times, or a two-front war"
We do not have enough people to take care of the ordinary tasks of the military AND fight a war - as has been shown by this mockery of a "War on Terror".
I again refer to the fact that we are having to deploy our young men and women too many times as well as call up weekend warriors on active duty deployments.
Shrinking the military is not the answer. Perhaps not occupying other countries and not completely ruling out diplomacy is.
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