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Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:No, we're not, I'm just not making myself clear. Though I'd note that a hell of a lot of the Zenit-3SL is actually, yanno, Russian...
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
We're clearly talking about different things. I'm talking about ferrying human beings to orbit without the shuttles and without buying Russian ferry boat tickets.
6,000 kg is plenty enough to get a man to the ISS.
--Anthony
Anyway the Gemini Capsule that put the first American into space weighed 3,133kg, the Apollo command module alone was 5,809 kg, and that didn't include rocket motors, propellant or life support systems (which were all carried by the service module which weighed 24,523kg) so 6000kg isn't all that much really. Taking Apollo as the example, 6000kg will get three people into orbit, which is less than crew of the spaceshuttle alone.
WRONG AGAIN , Cit...
The MERCURY spacecraft that carried the first American into space massed 1,118 kg (2,464 lb).
Danged American education system again...
You can look this up later...Maybe before you post again...
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:28 AM
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
WRONG AGAIN , Cit...
The MERCURY spacecraft that carried the first American into space massed 1,118 kg (2,464 lb).
Danged American education system again...
You can look this up later...Maybe before you post again...
yeah...he's not american.
~lissa
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:34 AM
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yeah...he's not american.
~lissa
Danged American education system AGAIN!
Mike
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:18 AM
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Originally posted by lissa:Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
WRONG AGAIN , Cit...
The MERCURY spacecraft that carried the first American into space massed 1,118 kg (2,464 lb).
Danged American education system again...
You can look this up later...Maybe before you post again...
yeah...he's not american.
~lissa
Duh , Obviously !
( BTW , lissa , that should be (A)merican ; being that it's a 'proper name' , it would be properly capitalized...)
He's plainly just another English @rseh0le with no lack of 'opinions' , while he's short of facts...
( Sorta like the wanks who butt into other folks' arguments without knowing anything of context...)
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=34664
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Originally posted by citizen:
What a marvelous response, certainly showing the depth of your own IQ there, let me guess, product of the American public school system right. I tell you what, rather than 'doing the math' and working out the real reasons for the problems identified, how about you read some conspiracy theories about how it's all them thar foreigners trying to keep the working man down.
I've down the math, evidently you've read some tin foil hat theories about globalisation that have little evidential back up and lots of vitriolic hyperbole, just keep from thinking, grasshopper...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
Makes 'em look all manner of foolish...Same way their hats make 'em look like idiots...
Notice that they never are quite able to take a swipe , either...
What shittizen and his ilk never realize is that monkeys like himself wouldn't have opportunity to bang away on the ninnynet , were it not for inventive Americans creating the 'pavement' for it...
No wonder the English never went to the Moon...
Shittizen's yet another uninformed reactionary , doing what he does best...Reacting while ignorant...
Got a lot of Brits killed during the first American Revolution , it did...
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:25 AM
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:No, we're not, I'm just not making myself clear. Though I'd note that a hell of a lot of the Zenit-3SL is actually, yanno, Russian...
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
We're clearly talking about different things. I'm talking about ferrying human beings to orbit without the shuttles and without buying Russian ferry boat tickets.
6,000 kg is plenty enough to get a man to the ISS.
--Anthony
Anyway the Gemini Capsule that put the first American into space weighed 3,133kg, the Apollo command module alone was 5,809 kg, and that didn't include rocket motors, propellant or life support systems (which were all carried by the service module which weighed 24,523kg) so 6000kg isn't all that much really. Taking Apollo as the example, 6000kg will get three people into orbit, which is less than crew of the spaceshuttle alone.
Yep , 'Cit' makes himself 'clear' once more...
First , the thing about the Gemini spacecraft putting the 'first' American into space...
Because , you see , the Gemini (TWINS , get it ?) was a 2-man ship that wasn't launched with a solo crewperson aboard ,
but it WAS preceded by the single-seat MERCURY spacecraft program that carried individual astronauts into suborbital and orbital trajectories...
There's a first massive misstatement of facts , but , behold , there are more...
He goes on to say that the Apollo Command Module didn't include rocket motors , propellant , or LIFE SUPPORT systems , and further goes on to elaborate that ALL THOSE were carried by the heavier Service Module...
Hmmm , imagine that , a United States spacecraft designed for an ultra-high-velocity ballistic re-entry , and those danged American engineers didn't think to include a reaction control system (rocket motors) , propellants (hypergolic fuels) , or , Life Support Systems (mixed gases , including oxygen , and an inert pressurant , helium)...(Weight budget , environmental system , 200 kilograms).
How inconvenient for the CM crewmen , then , that the Service Module was always JETTISONED prior to the re-entry (atmospheric interface) being accomplished...
What did they do then ? Hold their breath , in an out-of-control spacecraft , with no chance of modifying the trajectory
along the narrow acceptable corridor ?
Wowee , those American astronauts are even braver than we ever knew !
Thankfully , though , we don't need 'X-spurts' like Cit to design spacecraft for NASA...
See , Cit tells several danged lies in just a couple of paragraphs , while he's being critical toward someone else ; but he says he's just not being 'clear' enough for us simple folk...
Seems where he's coming from should be clear enough for most of us here...
He's not showing anyone anything new...
Go find some new stuff , Cit...
Nobody will be inclined to buy your same-old B-S...
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:34 AM
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:The Shuttles Maximum payload is 25,061kg, the Zenit-3SL's is 6,000kg.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
No, not for the Moon, but for orbit, to get to the ISS in the absence of the shuttle.
Some of the payloads they put up there are heavier than the space capsules we used to pop up into orbit in the 60's.
" Planned improvements of the Zenit 3SL include a better management of propellant margins in order to increase
the payload capability to geostationary transfer orbit to about 5,500 kg by early 2002 and over 6,000 kg by late 2002.
Structural limitations of the current vehicle design are reportedly 6,200 kg for GTO and 7,000 kg for low Earth orbit. "
http://www.orbireport.com/Launchers/Zenit_3SL
AnthonyT asked a valid question...
Our local 'TianJiao' Spaceflight Expert , Citizen , gave yet another invalid and irrelevant opinion in response...
As noted above , the referenced Zenit 3SL launch vehicle can manage to loft up to 7,000 kilos to LEO ( Low Earth Orbit ).
Certainly would be enough gross spacelift capacity to put a 6,000 kg Apollo CM , or similar , into a place where it could reach the International Space Station .
But in fact , the Zenit 3SL is far from being a man-rated booster ; which is a different ballgame entirely , from flinging a comsat to a transfer orbit...
Should have saved many of those 'peace-dividend' Titan 2's for just this sort of contingency...
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:17 AM
Wow O2tb, you really are a petulant petty little child aren't you. I say one thing about an article you posted, and you throw a tempertantrum across two threads. It's like watching a four year old whose bad parents have never disciplined him that has been told off for the first time ever.
Hell, what do I mean like?
Well, I got me my own ignorant brainless stalker troll, ain't I lucky.
Quote:Or in other words, my "invalid irreverent opinion" was right.
But in fact , the Zenit 3SL is far from being a man-rated booster ; which is a different ballgame entirely , from flinging a comsat to a transfer orbit...
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:06 AM
Quote:Ask yourself why the Service module wasn't jettisoned until just before reentry. It's because the Command Module didn't have the endurance or rocketry for Orbital manoeuvres you dumb shit. Certainly not enough to make rendezvous with a space station. If you had a brain you'd remember that when Apollo was used to dock with Skylab, it had the Service module attached, because it couldn't do it with out it. So no, the Apollo Command Module wasn't capable of Orbital manoeuvres in LEO, it was capable of falling and changing it's trajectory a bit.
Originally posted by out2theblack:
How inconvenient for the CM crewmen , then , that the Service Module was always JETTISONED prior to the re-entry (atmospheric interface) being accomplished...
The general point I was making was the the SeaLaunch platform was unsuitable for ferrying astronauts to a space station, and even if it wasn't it would be wasteful because it could never put more than three into orbit at a time. That was fine in the late sixties and early seventies, but it's not so great now. Sealaunch is wonderful for getting to Geostationary orbit (which is why I used the Geostationary payload data fucktard) but offers no real advantage to LEO, which can be reached just as easily and probably more cheaply from ground stations.
Lastly, I wasn't being 'critical' of Anthony, I was disagreeing with a statement he made. Obviously this is something you've not matured enough yet to understand, evidenced by the massive tempertantrum you've thrown across this forum because of one sentence I wrote that was critical of something you copy and pasted from elsewhere. If you're aim was to make yourself look like a colossally immature and stupid tool, bravo, mission accomplished. So how about you go back to lying and generally being a moron on your own time, because the adults are trying to have a conversation, and we don't need the preschoolers screaming and shouting while we're doing it, go to your room!
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:23 PM
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Duh , Obviously !
( BTW , lissa , that should be (A)merican ; being that it's a 'proper name' , it would be properly capitalized...)
He's plainly just another English @rseh0le with no lack of 'opinions' , while he's short of facts...
( Sorta like the wanks who butt into other folks' arguments without knowing anything of context...)
wow, i'm quite impressed by your overreaction.
first: i noticed that you commented that "american" should be capitalized. what about the first letter of my sentence? that's kind of an important one too. obviously, i chose to forgo capitalization for my posts on this fan website. chill.
second: i chose to "butt in" due to the fact that i personally know citizen to be a friendly, intelligent person. also, i was bored. again, chill.
third: i am a damn good american teacher...and your behavior would not be tolerated in my class.
~lissa
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Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:06 PM
Quote:LIES! LIES AND SLANDER!
Originally posted by lissa:
second: i chose to "butt in" due to the fact that i personally know citizen to be a friendly, intelligent person. also, i was bored. again, chill.
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