Star Trek & FF/Serenity- an analysis of the popularity differences

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:50 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If Firefly could have produced 40 episodes I believe it could be thriving on re-runs. A season or two of Firefly re-runs shown at 11:00 pm would be seen by countless millions, and in short time Firefly would become part of our collective consciousness.

Perhaps you're right...

Re-ex-amin-ing Nomadisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:02 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Problem is not many were watching at the time. Matter of fact, I bet 80 percent of the people who post here didn't watch it when it originally aired.

But that doesn't 'splain Serenity's lackluster box office take- certainly we totally tried to promote it by early '05... I still remember how that Alba flick, Into The Blue, made tons more coin around the same time....

I just don't see the average Star Wars geek being able to fathom it, too many grays IMO. Maybe if it was titled "Star Wars: The Alliance Strikes Back" it might have done more business...I mean, I have HARDCORE Trek & Jedi fan friends that won't even give eps of Firefly a second look on the SF channel, no matter how much I cajole or coax

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Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:22 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Problem is not many were watching at the time. Matter of fact, I bet 80 percent of the people who post here didn't watch it when it originally aired.

But that doesn't 'splain Serenity's lackluster box office take- certainly we totally tried to promote it by early '05... I still remember how that Alba flick, Into The Blue, made tons more coin around the same time....
I just don't see the average Star Wars geek being able to fathom it, too many grays IMO. Maybe if it was titled "Star Wars: The Alliance Strikes Back" it might have done more business...I mean, I have HARDCORE Trek & Jedi fan friends that won't even give eps of Firefly a second look on the SF channel, no matter how much I cajole or coax.

First, thanks for your enthusiastic support of my Firefly re-run premise.
Second...you are right about the reluctance of many to even give it a chance.

Remember Spock's little speech to Valeris in ST: Undiscovered Country? He said to her that Logic was not the end of knowledge, but the beginning. So the same with Trek & Star Wars; there is something more out there, namely Firefly.

TEXARCANA

Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:31 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
...I mean, I have HARDCORE Trek & Jedi fan friends that won't even give eps of Firefly a second look on the SF channel, no matter how much I cajole or coax.

Chrisisall

As far as Star Wars Fans go: They are to conditioned to candy-coated no-substance extravaganza to understand anything else imo.
Trek is something else though: One would think that a good Serial-style show would work for them.
Firefly, and BSG have eclipsed all other Sci-Fi EXCEPT Babylon 5 for me.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:46 PM

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Originally posted by TexArcana:

As far as Star Wars Fans go: They are too conditioned to candy-coated no-substance extravaganza to understand anything else imo.

Trouble with SW is that you can groove to the deeper stuff in it, or just ride the eye candy & forget all synaptic activity your brain is capable of. BSG has a grandeur that suffices for those types lookin' for 'splosions & stuff, and Trek has some of the best designed spaceships ever, plus: phasers (yeah, baby)...

Although FF & Serenity look great, you can't just watch it for the cool explosions & laser battles.
Lookin' back on it, I'm surprised FOX didn't demand that that 'pretty black chick' wear a halter top so they could attract more young teen boys

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isall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:48 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

First, thanks for your enthusiastic support of my Firefly re-run premise.

Yeah, I may have been in error before, just don't ask me to execute my prime functionisall

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

First, thanks for your enthusiastic support of my Firefly re-run premise.
Yeah, I may have been in error before, just don't ask me to execute my prime functionisall

Relax Nomad, no need to have a meltdown or anything.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:05 PM

You are the Creatorisall

OPPYH

Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:59 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
But that doesn't 'splain Serenity's lackluster box office take- certainly we totally tried to promote it by early '05... I still remember how that Alba flick, Into The Blue, made tons more coin around the same time....
I just don't see the average Star Wars geek being able to fathom it, too many grays IMO. Maybe if it was titled "Star Wars: The Alliance Strikes Back" it might have done more business...I mean, I have HARDCORE Trek & Jedi fan friends that won't even give eps of Firefly a second look on the SF channel, no matter how much I cajole or coax.

I can't explain Serenity's box office disappointment either. I think we were all hopin(including Joss) it would be a springboard to get another show or movie going...oh well. Of course If I knew nothing about Firefly, I may have been tempted to see Into the Blue instead of Serenity. Alba soaking wet in a blue bikini for ninety minutes. How can that be bad?

TEXARCANA

Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:10 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by TexArcana:

As far as Star Wars Fans go: They are too conditioned to candy-coated no-substance extravaganza to understand anything else imo.
Trouble with SW is that you can groove to the deeper stuff in it, or just ride the eye candy & forget all synaptic activity your brain is capable of. BSG has a grandeur that suffices for those types lookin' for 'splosions & stuff, and Trek has some of the best designed spaceships ever, plus: phasers (yeah, baby)...

Although FF & Serenity look great, you can't just watch it for the cool explosions & laser battles.
Lookin' back on it, I'm surprised FOX didn't demand that that 'pretty black chick' wear a halter top so they could attract more young teen boys.

isall

I would tend to disagree on the availability of "Deeper Stuff" in SW (I will qualify this by saying that I went to the premiere 32 times "way back when"; and enjoyed the first three movies): The Story is as old as Human Civilisation; and has been told (only the names have changed) over campfires, and in Fairytales/Legend from the time we learned to speak...
I would also take issue with BSG being "'Splosions" focussed: The mind-games, sexual tensions and character twists take it to a level beyond simple "Flash bang/Oo-Ah". As a matter of fact THAT is why I and my friends like so much.

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