outlaw star

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GENE

Monday, October 28, 2002 11:52 PM

Is it just me or is anyone else seeing the similarites between firefly and outlaw star? I dont know about you other anime fans but its really making me angry, because the creators of firefly probably got the idea for it from outlaw star and didn't give outlaw star any credit. Maybe its a coincidence, yeah right LOL.

YEAHITSME

Monday, October 28, 2002 11:53 PM

TROLL!

PEDME84

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:18 AM

oh, boy. i actually don't know if this has been discussed on this site yet, but i know it had been on the official site, before i defected to here.

this was a really big can of worms over there.

yes, there are elements of outlaw star. the show is also reminiscent of many other japanime shows including cowboy bebop, trigun, etc.

so then there's the question, could you call this a rip off? i say, no.

then there's my theory about hollywood's conspiracy against anime. it's used by american writers all the time. i could go through a list for you, and these would only be the ones that just i have noticed. most people see anime as pokemon and sailor moon, and can't take it seriously. (my message to these people: watch Grave of the Fireflies) so they never notice when oh, say, Disney shamelessly rips it off.

this is definitely my fav anime rip off. the opening to the lion king is taken frame for frame form the opening to a japanime show that is called something like Kimba the White Lion. i do not lie. i don't know where you could get your hands on this, but you can go see for yourself.

and they're holding hostage my myazaki movies! if they would just release nausicaa and laputa, they wouldn't be able to rip them off unnoticed anymore(like with Atlantis). oh, pity.

but joss typically borrows. the one example that i can see best is that second season (and third season) of buffy very very much takes from the movie Blade. but the script itself has to be about the journeys of the characters. These other influences are taken and then sent through these particular characters, and joss does it so delightfully well, in my humble opinion.

that's why i don't call it a rip off. the opening sequence to the lion king, now that's a rip off. esp. since they pat themselves on the back for it so much.

i had actually wanted to know about this, though:
Do otaku watch this show? Can they appreciate it, or do they all write it off as a rip off? Any otaku on this web site, please speak up!

- emily

GENE

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:30 AM

You have some good points, i'll look into those other anime movies you mentioned. Its a shame how hollywood rips off anime.

TRAGICSTORY

Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:29 AM

Well, I am an Otaku so I figured I should write a response. First off, I have seen Outlaw Star, Trigun and Cowboy Bebop. Does Firefly contain some remarkable simularities? Yes. Girl found frozen in a box = Outlaw Star. Wild West weapons in sci fi = Trigun. So is this a rip off? Not really. Just think of the plot line. First, the doctor needs to get on the ship so that once the sister is found they can not easily dispose of her. So she needs to be quiet and immobile. That means the brother either binds and gags her or the writers cryogenicly freeze her. It's more humane and futuristic. And that is where the simularities end. When River bonds with Firefly and becomes the navigation system then I will cough "rip off" as loud as everyone else. Until then I will see it on par with the overused plotline of going into bars to pick up lawless men. As for the cheap technologies, the worlds the crew visits are colonies to the Alliance. So poor technology is to be expected. If you doubt me go and try to get open heart surgury in Afganistan. They faught the Russians for independce and won and they are pretty back-water technologically. (If you think that is because of their religion look at Chechnia, Yugoslavia, most of AFRICA) the further you are away from power, the poorer you are. This show just shows it like it is. Finally, even though there are simularities, there are simularities between all shows. The fact that Firefly does not copy the unique features of the anime series like the ship's grappling arms or Vash's pacifism proves that it is just a simularity, after all american have no problems ripping off Japanese ideas. See the above posts or just go watch "The Ring".

PEDME84

Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:49 AM

hey, tragicstory, i haven't seen THE RING, but i'd love to know what Japanese movie it borrows from!

- emily

JAYNESGIRLFRIEND

Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:33 AM

The Ring is a remake of the Japanese movie Ringu. I liked them both a lot(blasphemy I know, but the SFX in the American remake scared the hell out of me.)

Emily, what did Buffy borrow from Blade specificly? Not denying it does, just think its interesting.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

PEDME84

Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:33 PM

thanx! i've never seen ringu, but i'm gonna have to before i ever see the ring.

okay, i haven't seen blade in a while, but i think i can remember everything that was borrowed.

first of all, blade's mentor's name is Whistler.

they say, "blade's blood is the key"

i know there's more second season parallels, but i can't remember.

you remember pearl? compare him to balthazaar in the third season.

there's an ascension

the girl offers to let blade bite her to save his life like in third season.

i just want to note that I choose to use the words "inspired by" or "borrowed from." cause this is usually where someone comes back to tell me exactly how they're different. of course they are also different, they didn't copy blade, they just used it as a tool.

- emily

HOOK

Thursday, December 5, 2002 9:51 AM

I have never seen outlaw star but i have seen cowboy bebop. But the similarities with that show are mostly superfisial...coboy bebop is about isolation and the inability of poeple to connect while firefly is about morality in a godless universe...which brings up an interesting discussion with the comparison of buffy and firefly...buffy seems (i have only seen a few episodes) to be about defining freewill in a godfull (there has to be a better word then that :P) universe while firefly is, as previously mentioned, about morality in a godless universe...an interesting discussion but i should post a real post later when i have it all figured out...not in troll country.

Aaaaah troll country.

hook

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RACERX9846

Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:45 AM

hell yes! girl in box? Living ship? bounty hunter, kid engineer, warrior woman, and too-cool captain? achoo-ripoff! but still the show, both shows, kickass

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