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The Worst President in US History?

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:44 PM

Several bad presidents perped false-flag terrorism, ordered the US military to stand down, and pay enemy soldiers to attack US military bases. USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, USS Liberty. JFK vetoed Operation Northwoods, terminated the Vietnam War, was "smashing the CIA into a 1000 pieces", and killed the private Federal Reserve Bank counterfeit scam. So Pentagon's Northwoods and its CIA version Operation Mongoose were used to kill JFK in a coup d'etat, with help from CIA commander George Bush Sr, later promoted to CIA director, president, and Knight of the British Empire. Treason is as old as General Benedict Arnold and the Revolutionary War. Jr Bush is the one who finally killed USA via SPP.gov contract to be annexed by the British Commonwealth Empire. Obama is foreign born, a foreign citizen, and not a legitimate president. So Bush is the last actual "president" of USA, not counting 2 stolen "elections".

At least Rolling Stone reported on Nixon's CIA Watergate plumbers confessing on videotape to the CIA assassination of president JFK Sr:

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The Last Confessions of E Howard Hunt


E Howard Hunt under arrest in Dealy Plaza and Watergate trial

He was the ultimate keeper of secrets, lurking in the shadows of American history. He toppled banana republics, planned the Bay of Pigs invasion and led the Watergate break-in. Now he would reveal what he'd always kept hidden: He and the CIA killed JFK for LBJ and Nixon.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessio
ns_of_e_howard_hunt



Tramps under arrest in Dealy Plaza before arrest of active duty US Marine soldier Oswald

www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_hunt_confessed_cia_murdered_jfk.htm
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407deathbedconfession.htm
www.saintjohnhunt.com

"I didn't shoot nobody, no sir. I'm just a patsy!"
-Lee Harvey Oswald, US Naval Intelligence, before his murder inside the Dallas Police Dept


1 & 2: Easy kill shot ignored from Book Warehouse
3. JFK shot in back from Daltex Oil HQ
4. JFK shot in face from Fence on Grassy Knoll




Bill Hicks on the JFK Assassination Coup D'Etat




None of the other "news" corporations reported Hunt's confession, but they love selling Scientologist Ethan Hunt in Mission Impossible, based on E Howard.

Does a bear crap in the woods, if the media mafia scoops the poop and flushes it down a toilet?




"Half of writing history is hiding the truth."
-Capt Malcolm Reynolds, Serenity

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It was my understanding that the President X alluded to above actually inherited this project from his predecessor. It was also my understanding that the CIA misled President X about what sorts of support would be essential to the operation.

So it's always been my understanding that President X inherited a turd and was misinformed about how to squeeze it out.



Not sure where it says that a President can't disband the programs of a prior administration, especially ones of the other party. And regardless of who started the program, President X continued it, authorized sending forces into harms way, and then failed to provide the support they needed to be successful. As for the CIA misleading him, that excuse doesn't seem to wash with critics when it's applied to the current president.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:28 PM

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As for the CIA misleading him, that excuse doesn't seem to wash with critics when it's applied to the current president.


So does President X get a pass on this one in your book? You certainly seem willing to look the other way when, as you say, it's applied to the current president.

Personally, I don't give Prez X a pass on that one, either. As you say, he could've scrapped it, but he signed off on it. And he said that he felt it was his biggest mistake. (Personally, I think catching that bullet with his head was his biggest mistake, but that might be splitting hairs...)



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:46 PM

Hello,

I think I do give him a pass on that particular error. Hey, you're supposed to trust the people around you to give you good advice, and he wasn't getting advice from any other source about that one. To my knowledge, he wasn't given a platter with five pieces of data that pointed one way, and a sixth that pointed the other.

He was given one piece of data, one piece of advice, and he was thoroughly grieved when it turned out to be wrong. He also owned up to it.

I don't expect my leaders to be always right. I only expect them to be as right as they can be, and to acknowledge when they aren't.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, August 25, 2008 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It was my understanding that the President X alluded to above actually inherited this project from his predecessor. It was also my understanding that the CIA misled President X about what sorts of support would be essential to the operation.

So it's always been my understanding that President X inherited a turd and was misinformed about how to squeeze it out.



Not sure where it says that a President can't disband the programs of a prior administration, especially ones of the other party. And regardless of who started the program, President X continued it, authorized sending forces into harms way, and then failed to provide the support they needed to be successful. As for the CIA misleading him, that excuse doesn't seem to wash with critics when it's applied to the current president.

"Keep the Shiny side up"




I believe that Kennedy was assured the landing force could function without direct support from US forces. This was the approved action. When this turned out to not be the case, and the CIA requested Naval aviation, he then withdrew that approval as the situation had changed.

Mind you I think the bay of pigs was a terrorist action which failed, but hey



Lets party like its 1939

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Monday, August 25, 2008 1:44 AM

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I don't expect my leaders to be always right. I only expect them to be as right as they can be, and to acknowledge when they aren't.



Blasphemer! Why do you hate America so much?



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Monday, August 25, 2008 4:24 AM

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It was my understanding that the President X alluded to above actually inherited this project from his predecessor. It was also my understanding that the CIA misled President X about what sorts of support would be essential to the operation.

Well, back then the CIA was tossing out all kinds of plans to get us boiled down into wars, not the least of which was NORTHWOODS, which resulted in the firing of Lemnitzer and damn near lead to the dismissal of McNamara, which if you ask me, would have been a good thing.

They wanted to restart the cold war by provoking Cuba, this little cabal, and they meant to do it regardless of the will of the people or the president, so of course they would lie unstintingly - if you review the list of NSAM issued by his office, there's a constant theme toward improving our nuclear security and putting a leash on these alphabent agency goons.

Of particular interest would be NSAM 170, but *good luck* finding a copy as it seems to now be retroactively classified and unavailable, there's a chance for PN to impress if he wants to bother digging it up.
(Side note: You might actually wanna listen to him on this one, most of the stuff he's posting there is quite accurate.)

While this era had it's fairly progressive folk, it had a rather large cabal of Staussian bastards like Allen Dulles, Cord Meyer, Scoop Jackson, Howard Hunt and the like, all of whom were willing to use any means necessary to kickstart the cold war, and Johnson was fully in their pocket.

George Bush Sr wasn't kidding when he said that if the american people knew what was done in their name by the alphabet agencies they would be chased down the street and lynched.

I mean, just the shit we (officially) KNOW about is bad enough, isn't it ?

They went so far as to sack the University of Washington in 2005 and classify (read: steal and burn) a lot of Scoop Jacksons personal archive because it incriminated them so very badly.

Need I mention that Jackson's office also spawned the next generation of these sumbitches like Wolfowitz, Feith and Abrams ?

I also was not kidding that you can trace the lines right back down through history all the way to the fucking Federalists if you wanted to.

I think President X, once he realized how he'd been scammed, and just how far the intel goons wanted to take this, pulled the rug out from under them even knowing that most of the invasion force would die - I would have done the same under the circumstances, although knowing what kind of monster I was dealing with, would have been unlikely to get baited so in the first place.

For them it was win-win, if they pulled it off, they got to kickstart the cold war again, and if it failed, they could blame the Prez for not being enough of a warmonger to "get things done".

And if you put the pieces together, the whole mess becomes a fairly clear picture.

And don't even get me started on Kissinger, the devils own imp, the only reason that sumbitch is still alive is cause hell won't take him.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, August 25, 2008 4:52 AM

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I'd like to hear your thoughts on FDR

Well, yeah, the bench stacking and internment is horrible enough...

But,

There's a whole laundry list, starting with his association with that bastard William Randolf Hearst, who has his own list of misdeeds to consider, and his support was not without price, I can tell you.

Let's see - Executive Order 6102 and screwing us out of the gold standard, a chicken that's finally come home to roost in a big way.
This actually my biggest gripe, I can't even detail in a single post just how badly that fucked up our economy, but like arsenic, the damage is not often immediately apparent.

Hordes of Federal Agencies, all UnConstitutional, sucking up our tax dime for little if any benefit, and lead the way for more, and more... and more...


There was his initial support of unions, and sudden vicious turnaround as the AFL and CIO split ways, fighting over the scraps left over from the slow collapse of the IWW thanks to AFL strike breaking and Government supported harrassment.

His support of Franco, and near idolization of the Fascists till it become unpopular - consider WHO Franco's opposition was for why I am pissed off about that, playing pattycake with Stalin doesn't go over too well neither.

His deliberate and intentional attempts to get us involved in WWII despite promises to the contrary, up to and including a deliberate set of provocations DESIGNED to bait the Japanese into attacking us, and deliberately leaving the Pearl Harbor command staff in the dark, swinging at the windy corner.

For what it's worth though, it wasn't "all bad", but when it's tallied on my scoreboard, it comes out as a negative.

His wife was a hell of a lady though, he married well, I'll give him that.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, August 25, 2008 5:26 AM

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by the way, did you see the documentary Adams? Just wondering because I dont' know much about him beyond certain policy enactions, and the drama paints him as a much more moderate individual than say, Hamilton.

That's what ya call a whitewash...

Hamilton was a rabid Feudal-Fascist-Federalist, and HE was moderate in comparison to Adams.

"Adams contended that social classes exist in every political society, and that a good government must accept that reality. For centuries, dating back to Aristotle, a mixed regime balancing monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, or the monarch, nobles, and people was required to preserve order and liberty"

"all divines and moral philosophers will agree that the happiness of the individual is the end of man."

"The very mention of sumptuary laws will excite a smile. Whether our countrymen have wisdom and virtue enough to submit to them, I know not; but the happiness of the people might be greatly promoted by them, and a revenue saved sufficient to carry on this war forever. Frugality is a great revenue, besides curing us of vanities, levities, and fopperies, which are real antidotes to all great, manly, and warlike virtues."

Hamilton actually thought he was pushing the agenda too publicly, and opposed him mostly for exposing their nefarious agenda before it was fully in place.

Adams was no idiot, and his concept of separated branches of Government first established in this pamphlet is an idea that still serves (badly) in use even today.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Government

Oddly enough, he was also opposed to slavery in practice, finding it distasteful, and never practiced such himself, but that never really found it's way into his policies.

He was a stone hypocrite otherwise though, and it showed through when he was Washingtons veep - not only did he try pretty hard to set Washington as a King, complete with pompous titles that everyone else found ridiculous, he also used his position so unstintingly to advance a unitary executive that the rest of the senate was on the verge of lynching his ass.

All the while pissing and whining that the veep didn't have ENOUGH power or authority.

He of course threw in with the Federalists when the split occured, and then proceeded to more or less throw a tantrum cause he, as a "better man" wasn't in charge of it all.

The Federalists didn't like him neither, but they feared Jefferson so terribly that they would have put forth Satan himself as a candidate to oppose him, and boy did they ever - as Adams petulantly stayed home, since he believed he should just be HANDED the office, since he was so superior to everyone else, the Federalists ran a very active campaign which might not have done so well if he hadn't, since Adams (much like John Kerry) tended to sink his own chances every time he opened his mouth anyway, so I doubt they were displeased with his decision.

Of course, the actions of his presidency, noteably the Alien and Sedition acts, are a matter of record, and simply more of his stubborn and selfish nature, Adams was known to be explosively emotional if questioned or opposed.

His candicacy and attempt for re-election fell to his own deeds, deliberate sabotage by Hamilton, who felt he was really hurting their cause by being such an ass, and some slick work in the NY Senate on behalf of Aaron Burr, who was a real mastermind of a plotter and apparently intent on the destruction of the Federalist Party even then.

Even then that wasn't enough, he chose to stack the benches on his way out, and while mostly undone later, it did curse us with that sumbitch John Marshall, and lead directly the Judicial Usurpations that the Anti-Federalists warned us about.

All in all, a nasty, petty man with a brilliant mind, undone by his own ambition and emotional instability.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, August 25, 2008 5:41 AM

Oh, and one last thing...

Me calling these modern sumbitches Federalists ?

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/12/federalist-society-25/
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/24/fed-society-doj-report/

http://www.fed-soc.org/

Is that clear enough for everyone ?

-F

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