Did Joss paint himself into a corner with Serenity?

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OPPYH

Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:39 AM

Just feel he has no intention of returning to the characters outside of comic books.
After Serenity, he didn't leave a lot of room for improvement. Talking about main characters that will never be back(this aint Buffy)

If there ever is a return of the best show to hit television, it's gonna be one hell of a different feel than the original show. That's for sure.

Deep down I feel he has moved on

PHYRELIGHT

Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:29 AM

Well, the characters aren't the same after Miranda. That part's true. But River's comment at the end of the movie about a storm is a wink to the audience that there is soooo much more to come.

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NBZ

Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:40 AM

Yes and no.

Even if it was the original tv series, eventually things would change.

However he upped the ante to such a level, it is hard to drop back down into the world of almost nobodies that the crew lived in in the series.

NCBROWNCOAT

Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:34 PM

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Originally posted by PhyreLight:
Well, the characters aren't the same after Miranda. That part's true. But River's comment at the end of the movie about a storm is a wink to the audience that there is soooo much more to come.

Experience the Horribleness!

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I agree but I don't see a series but another movie. Joss has already said that he's up for another one, so are the actors, it's the studio and financial movers and shakers.

And Joss left a lot of options open. What changes did the Miranda wave make? Are the Independents going to rise again? If they do will Mal and Zoe join them? Will Book's past be revealed and how will that affect the crew?

Simon and Kaylee, is it just a fling or something else? Will Zoe become either more bad ass or will she retreat? And the most important question of all, Mal and Inara, can they get together and will Joss kill one of them?

So many questions that Joss has to answer.

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PHYRELIGHT

Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:58 PM

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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Will Zoe become either more bad ass or will she retreat?

Everytime I wonder about that, I look to the last scene between Zoe and Mal and remember her words, "She's tore up plenty, but she'll fly true."

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And the most important question of all, Mal and Inara, can they get together and will Joss kill one of them?

Probably and... *sad sigh*... probably. Either that or things will get too complicated between them for the relationship to go but so far.

Experience the Horribleness!

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REDDRAGON

Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:24 PM

Here's something that I've thought about, what if Zoe is Preggers? How would that shake things up?

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PHYRELIGHT

Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:29 PM

A lot of people have thought about that, actually. And if so, that would make things oh-so much more interesting! (Unkah Mal! Unkah Mal!) This series was destined for a baby anyways because their lives aren't complicated enough!

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REDDRAGON

Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:52 PM

In-friggin'-deed

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PENNAUSAMIKE

Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:52 PM

QUOTE Did Joss paint himself into a corner with Serenity? UNQUOTE

YES! (But it doesn't have to be that way...)

My fear is that Joss, in his quest for "realism",
has cut off major-ly interesting storylines about
Simon and River's future, Zoe and Wash's future, Mal and Inara, because of killing or separating characters.
Characters being "Jossed" in the words of the Australian Q&A participant.
He's already wiped out the whole Zoe and Wash dynamic.
Gee, I can hardly wait for him to break up Kaylee and Simon (which he has alluded to) so it feels "real".
Oh Boy! Maybe he'll KILL Simon and not just break 'em up!
I can hardly wait!

My fear was Joss crapping all over his own show in the name of drama and cuz everybody KNOWS he's a genius, fans just nod their heads and say, "Yes, of course that was the dramatic choice he HAD to make".
My response? BU(($H!T!

I watched a show about people who could commit criminal acts armed with deadly weapons while still being the GOOD guys to escape reality.

Not to have my nose rubbed in more reality.
So what do I want?

Wash back.
Wash being saved by Simon adds exciting new dramatic tension for the characters. Zoe would now "owe" loyalty to two people; Mal for saving her and Simon for saving Wash. A viable plot/character development would be her journey to her not owing anybody, which would strengthen her relationship with her husband, Wash. ("What this marriage needs is one less husband") And Mal would have less of a subordinate and more of a partner. And Zoe would be an even stronger female character; but dramatically MADE stronger thru growth, not contrivance.

I LOVE the potential storylines and character development that grow out of Wash being saved. I am disheartened and depressed at the downward spiral that is inevitable if Wash is removed from the Firefly equation.

In my mind, Wash lives. I feel so strongly about his place in the Firefly dynamic that if no more Firefly can come after Serenity without dead Wash, I'd rather it end at Serenity and allow me to finish it out in my own mind in a way that makes me happy. ( My "Wash Lives" plotline.)

Joss creates GREAT fictional characters to draw an audience in, but it is my opinion that he loses much of that audience because of his insistence on killing off the very characters he attracted the audience WITH.

Look at the two big movies of summer 2008.
Ironman
Dark Knight
Both huge hits and both true to what they were.
Ironman was fun and the Dark Knight was...dark.
If the filmmakers had tried to inject more "realistic" tragedy into Ironman, it would have ruined the movie. Once a motivational character is killed (Book in Serenity, the doctor in Ironman) a fun movie doesn't support any more tragic reality without losing its uplifting quality. Book's death in Serenity, and the doctor's death in Ironman were dramatically important to the main characters' growth in both movies. But the Ironman creators knew not to bring their movie down after that, and the commercial success of the movie stems from that. Serenity was certainly not a less good movie than Ironman, but it wasn't true to its own nature. And it paid for that misunderstanding of its own nature with a poor showing at the box office.

Everybody vilifies FOX, but thank God they insisted on lightening up Mal and the tone of the series.
Mark my words, if it weren't for that meddling, Firefly would have faded into obscurity.
I don't know if you remember the Australian Q&A,
but the question Joss asked the audience was whether they preferred more of the movie or more of the series.
He even prefaced their response with "I think I know which it is".
The audience strongly said "Firefly" and Joss nodded as tho' that was what he expected.
Although there are fans who like the dark misery stuff, the uplifting elements of Firefly/Serenity are what create an ENDURING fandom.

EMPIREX

Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:45 PM

Well said, Penn. I absolutely agree with you.

If we can't have Wash in more Firefly, at least we have fanfiction. *sigh*

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