Doctor Who - The Moffat Strikes Back.

POSTED BY: MrBlueSun
UPDATED: Thursday, September 25, 2008 08:44
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MRBLUESUN

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:25 PM

Okay so a kinda lame title for a thread but it was the best that i could think of =P
Anyway, i was just wondering, since Russell T Davies has begun this whole thing of reviving and updating classic Who villains, which ones would you want the soon-to-be-head-honcho Steven Moffat to try his hand at?
Remember there have already been the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Sontarans, the Macra and the Master, so pretty a high bar to aim for.
Personally i think that he could do some interesting things with the Valeyard (who is the personification of all the evil that the Doctor might be between now and his last incarnation). I think Moffat's flair for the psychological could really make its dependence upon the Doctor (since it is not technically alive, but rather an abstarct personification of the Doctor's dark side) an interesting plot point.

Open forumn, go nuts!

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MAL92REYNOLDS

Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:53 AM

I would like to see the Silurians come back for a huge 2 parter (possibly with the sea devils). They are some of the most interesting classic series villains.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:40 AM

I don't have a ton of familiarity with classic Who, but I do like the idea of bringing back the Valeyard.

Actually, on that thought, maybe we could see the Time Lords brought back, only not as benevolent as we might believe. Or possibly (also along the evil route) bring back Omega.

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EVILDINOSAUR

Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:12 AM

I haven't seen much doctor who outside of the new series, I've queued up a whole bunch of old stuff on netflix to start watching. Any reccomendations of specific movies or episodes that I should look into?

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EMMARIGBY

Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:23 AM

I am also a sci-fi fan from childhood who is embarrassed to admit an old Who defecit. How did that happen? I was President of my University sci-fi society for goodness sake! If it had come out how little Who I'd watched at that time I'd have been lynched!

I'll also have to try and catch up now! They're bringing out more and more DVDs. When I've watched a few of them I'll give an opinion on missing villians!

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SIMONWHO

Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:14 AM

To be honest, I think they should focus on new villains. The Daleks are classics and will always return but Moffat has already given us scary creatures like the Empty Child, the Weeping Angels and Vashta Nerada, so I'm hoping he'll focus on creating some more.

But yeah, I imagine the Sea Devils and probably the Yeti will return.

MRBLUESUN

Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Or possibly (also along the evil route) bring back Omega.

Interesting that you should mention that, because apparently Omega was one of the characters rumoured (sources decidedly unclear) to make a return in either one of the 2009 specials or as the 'big bad' for the 2010 series.
Personally if any timelord is coming back (besides the Valeyard)i'd vote for Rassilon, the granddaddy of them all!
I mean, hes never been given proper screen time (that floating beardy head in 'the five doctors' not withstanding)and yet is supposed to be stupidly powerful. Plus, my guess is he'd be pretty pissed at the doctor, who after all did destroy Gallifrey which Rassilon built practically from the ground up.

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LWAVES

Friday, August 15, 2008 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
I haven't seen much doctor who outside of the new series, I've queued up a whole bunch of old stuff on netflix to start watching. Any reccomendations of specific movies or episodes that I should look into?

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

Well you must watch Genesis Of The Daleks (Tom Baker). This is the episode referenced by Davros and Sarah Jane in the final episodes of the new fourth season.

Plus:

The Deadly Assassin (Tom Baker)
Remembrance Of The Daleks (Sylvester McCoy)
Spearhead From Space (Jon Pertwee)
The Three Doctors (Jon Pertwee but with Patrick Troughton and William Hartnell)

There are so many to pick from it's hard but most Dalek and Cybermen stories are worth it, the last and first episode of each Doctor are also worth a look (if only to see each regeneration).
Generally speaking you can't go wrong with Tom Baker but the best way is to try a couple from each Doctor and see which actor you like best and stick to those first.

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DEEPGIRL187

Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:08 AM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
I haven't seen much doctor who outside of the new series, I've queued up a whole bunch of old stuff on netflix to start watching. Any reccomendations of specific movies or episodes that I should look into?

You might also try City Of Death and The Time Warrior. City Of Death is often considered one of the best serials in Baker's era, and The Time Warrior is the first appearance of Sarah Jane.

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REGINAROADIE

Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:21 AM

I've only seen one episode of any classic WHO, which was "Pyramids of Mars" with Tom Baker. So I'm not totally up to date with the classic Who villains. But whoever they decide to create or bring back, I'm game for.

My main concern though, is that with the change in command from Davis to Moffat, I'm afraid that the show will lose it's comedic/adventurous tone and become another stern um drang/ heavily serious sci-fi series like LOST or BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. Don't get me wrong, I think Steven Moffat is brilliant, but the eps he's done don't really have much humor to them.

One of the reasons I love DOCTOR WHO over BSG and LOST is that of the big 4, it's the only one other than HEROES that has an actual sense of humor and a sense of adventure. It's as funny as it is scary and dramatic. Even though The Doctor is the only Time Lord left and the survivor of a massive genocide whose lived 900 years, he's incredibly chipper and excited and has such a joy for life. Which is a huge turnaround from the people on BSG or LOST who are so tormented and wallowing in self-pity and tragedy. The only other character in sci-fi like that that I can think of is Hiro Nakamura.

People really don't give Russell T. Davis enough credit. He knew to break up the action and scariness and drama with some much needed cheeky British humor. Also, "Midnight" the ep that was after Moffat's 2 parter, was just as and maybe even more scary than "Blink". So he was a competent show runner and not the George Lucas of the DOCTOR WHO series that some people say he is.

So is anyone nervous of Moffat turning one of the most funny and adventurous sci-fi series on the air into an incredibly serious, not humorous stare into the abyss like BSG and LOST can be at times?

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