Jayne's Love Interests

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SPACEANJL

Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:03 AM

Now I know you've read some of my stuff, Mal4Prez, so you know that Jayne doesn't do self-aware and navel-gazing. He does do gloating, because he knows it annoys Mal. (You ain't gettin' any, and I am, and I don't need to pay for it or share it, neither...)

'Sides, with Wash gone, you need someone to fill the role of normal married couple that Joss wanted for the Washburnes.

Granted, the relationship is a fairly major part of what I wrote, but it was something to fit in with the crew as a whole. From Jayne's point of view, after all, Zoe got wed, Kaylee's got the Doc, Mal's all slushy after 'Nara, so why shouldn't he get some? (And don't go thinkin' about him and the crazy, 'cos he don't chase children, and Li'l Wing is downright scary, anyhow...)

Oh, and I 'borrowed' the fuzzy turtle - it lives next to the guitar, in the ammo crate with the rocket launcher and the really good grenades...

ps - also not into 'Friends in Space'/space-spawn and total happy ever after. But I still think on Mal and Simon looking at each other and trying to fit the concept of Jayne and marriage into their minds, without dwelling on their own inability to get their love-lives sorted. C'mon, it's kinda funny.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, May 23, 2008 3:14 PM

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Now I know you've read some of my stuff, Mal4Prez, so you know that Jayne doesn't do self-aware and navel-gazing. He does do gloating, because he knows it annoys Mal.

Sorry - wasn't pointing that at you entirely. It's the whole "Teddy Bear Jayne" thing that I don't get. I don't think you do TB Jayne, but lots of fics do.

Gotta say though - this line made me scratch my head: "‘M just the big gun with no feelings." OK - so true of Jayne's situation! I can see an episode based on this concept (as Jaynestown pretty much is) and I can see Jayne feeling this way, but him saying it? Out loud?

Nah - I can't go there. This seems like a show-don't-tell thing for me. Jayne may have deeper feelings than many give him credit for, but part of his charm is his own lack of awareness about himself. Once he starts having talks about his feelings, more than "Don't make no sense... don't know why it eats at me so..." I'm lost. I like him being thick-headed. Seems a cornerstone of who he is.

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'Sides, with Wash gone, you need someone to fill the role of normal married couple that Joss wanted for the Washburnes.

Do we? Why?

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From Jayne's point of view, after all, Zoe got wed, Kaylee's got the Doc, Mal's all slushy after 'Nara, so why shouldn't he get some?

Again - why? Jayne certainly wants to "get some", but how does that relate to monogamy and marriage?

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(And don't go thinkin' about him and the crazy, 'cos he don't chase children, and Li'l Wing is downright scary, anyhow...)

Soooooo agreeing with you here LOL!

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Oh, and I 'borrowed' the fuzzy turtle - it lives next to the guitar, in the ammo crate with the rocket launcher and the really good grenades...

OK, this I can totally see. The turtle could have become as much a fixture on the set as Mal's red button. In a much funnier way!

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But I still think on Mal and Simon looking at each other and trying to fit the concept of Jayne and marriage into their minds, without dwelling on their own inability to get their love-lives sorted. C'mon, it's kinda funny.

Yeah, Ok. There's humor in that... if only I could make the scene play in my head. My understanding of Jayne is just too different from yours! I can't make Jayne=happily married man for the rest of his life fit into my brain. It won't go! Square peg, round hole, don't fit LOL!

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SPACEANJL

Friday, May 23, 2008 3:53 PM

Yeah, that was kind of the point!

Of course Jayne wanting to get married and being faithful is unexpected. (Though it's rooted in his ideas of possessing things - 'got a ring on her finger, says she's mine')

I mean *adopts solemn tone* I'm just trying to continue in Joss' fine tradition of subverting our expectations of people...nah, can't keep a straight face.

Anyway, Jayne's grumble about being thought of as 'just a gun' comes just before Mal lets him take a large knife to a fella, in search of answers to more than the meaning of life. So I think that balances it a little. ('Found yer tongue? Good. Saves me reachin' down your throat for it...')

MAL4PREZ

Friday, May 23, 2008 6:44 PM

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Yeah, that was kind of the point!

What was? That it's unexpected? Hmm.... OK, that argument has merit. The unexpected is a brilliant part of the Joss-ness I love!

Still... unexpected for the sake of unexpected isn't enough. It has to be in character, or have some damned good reason it isn't. Like when Cordy slept with Angel's son. Man, I still can't get over that! Even if it was explained eventually, it just wigged me out! *ew!*

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Anyway, Jayne's grumble about being thought of as 'just a gun' comes just before Mal lets him take a large knife to a fella, in search of answers to more than the meaning of life.

Context can add a lot to a few lines of dialog LOL!

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ELKSWORTHY

Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:48 AM

I was really surprised at the amount of fiction surrounding Jayne's love interests, because he strikes me as a person who doesn't exactly require strong personal connections to thrive. If he were to get married, I don't think that it would be until age started to creep up on him.

Also, I think that Jayne's affection for Kaylee is purely platonic. And it wouldn't work out between them anyway, because she's a genuinely good person and Jayne... well, not so much.

SPACEANJL

Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:16 AM

See, this is where I disagree. Jayne plays the hardass, and the lone wolf, but I think the big key to him is the need to belong and be taken seriously.

His behaviour with Kaylee is part big brother, and part the nasty boy at school who takes the piss to cover up his crush. Kaylee probably grew up surrounded by blokes like him, and consequently isn't interested.

('Sides, in my fanfic, he married the ship's cook. We know how the man loves to eat.)

FILLYGIRL

Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:54 AM

I think Jayne and Kayle came from the same kind of background, he may like her, but he wants something different(?), and Kayle wants something better. IMHO

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ELKSWORTHY

Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:09 PM

Actually, I was going to mention that if Jayne got married, I think that it would be a traditional marriage where the woman did the cooking and such. So I agree with you on that. :) I'm sure that if the opportunity to marry yokel-Saffron came along, he'd take it... but of course, that's not really love. XD

I didn't really consider the idea of Jayne having a love interest on the ship, since all the girls are quite uninterested in him. If there were another woman added to the crew, and she did meet Jayne's needs, I can see him marrying her... but I think that it would be more for comfort than for love. I think that Jayne craves a relationship with benefits like sex and meals, and isn't really concerned about whether or not love enters the picture.

Kaylee's sort of the little sister of the ship, which is why I don't see her as a love interest for anyone but Simon. Everybody else feels the need to protect her in the same way Simon feels about River.

SPACEANJL

Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:19 PM

Elksworthy - ....!! I'm married, and I do the cooking because I'm better at it than my husband! Incidentally, if you watch the series, you may notice that in one scene, Jayne is quite happily cooking while Book chops veggies for him.

I have to say that my Mrs Cobb is not a meek little Stepford type. I think it would be more fair to say that Jayne meets her needs, so she decided to stay.

INSTANTKARMAGIRL

Sunday, August 3, 2008 12:54 AM

Okay, here's my thoughts.

Jayne loves his mother, that's evident.

I think Jayne loves women and sex, yes, but he wants to be loved. I think that Jayne doesn't feel like he's GOOD enough for the women on the ship.

If you look at Heart of Gold, he wasn't just getting "frisky" witht he prosititute...he was huggin' on her, cuddlin' with her, BRUSHING her hair.

I think Jayne does have a sweeter side to him. I think the Jayne wants a women to love him. He's got walls and he doesn't think highly of himself.

I think if any one of the women on Serenity could be a match for Jayne ('cept Inara) and I think he'd treat each one of them with a lot of respect if they were his girl.

Just my thoughts...but I'm a pro-Jayne girl.

How come you're flying about with us brigands? I mean, shouldn't you be off bringing religiosity to the Fuzzie-Wuzzies or some such? ~Cap'n Mal

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