More Subtle yet interesting show observations - post yours
POSTED BY: jewelstaitefan
UPDATED: Friday, December 19, 2008 17:29
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I agree with Scathac reagrding Mal's kissing of the Cross. I think he's doing all of the above pray. Asking for forgiveness of sin, success, souls for the soon-to-be-departed and survival.
When he lost the battle, he lost his faith.
"You're welcome on my boat, God ain't."
[I've always seen that moment as a prayer for survival and possibly, to succeed. See, Zoe says something like, you really think we can bring it down? And Mal says, do you even need to ask, but then pauses, momentary flash of fear and doubt (that he can't vocalize, or he would destroy the moral of Zoe and his other men) so he puts his faith in God and kisses his cross, prays. And of course, he succeeds at first, but then loses the war, all of his men dying but Zoe, he loses his faith in God, which we all know about.
At least, that's what I always thought.
Shiny! Let's be bad guys!
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I also used to assume that he was praying for victory, success, survival. But Zoe asks abiout bringing down the warcraft that is strafing them, killing the pilot aboard.
Joss (or Mal) seems to borrow from Saving Private Ryan, and Jackson (Barry Pepper) is the sniper, who always kisses his cross before each engagement, so it occured to me that Mal might be praying for forgiveness of killing the pilot, or for the pilot's soul.
I'm no longer certain my assumption was correct.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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On Miranda, the Research and Rescue vehicle is labeled C53D. Also, the first vehicle (car like) that Jayne finds with a withered victim is also labeled C53D in the same font.
Regarding the smaller vehicle, I don't understand why it has the same model name or logo. If it came with the crashed vehicle that investigated the deaths, how quick did this stuff act to make the driver just stop, after just arriving on planet?
...I figured the discrepancy was just the non-technical nature of Joss.
Not the helo...
The smaller craft belonged to the larger one , and was transported aboard it...It belonged to the mission just like the Galileo shuttle belonged to Star Trek's Enterprise...The Galileo was one of 7 shuttles that belonged to
NCC-1701 , so it was marked 'NCC-1701~7'.
...Same deal with the two Alliance vessels in Serenity BDM .
The pilot of the smaller craft was probably debilitated gradually , and eventually became incapacitated , while still aboard...He'd probably been out on a recon mission of a sort , before he stopped caring about finishing what they'd come there for...
Remember, the craft were marked ' Research & Rescue ' , an odd sort of dual mission , but one that was appropriate to planet Miranda , given the circumstances of the failure there...
Actually , the I.D. number on the two craft is 'C57D' . It's an homage to FORBIDDEN PLANET , an earlier Science Fiction classic film...
In the film , the spacecraft is designated UNITED PLANETS Cruiser C-57D...
See the similarity to UNION of ALLIED PLANETS , or even , UNITED FEDERATION of PLANETS ?
That's good , because Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry drew inspiration from the Robert Wise classic , Forbidden Planet , when creating the seminal TV series...
If you ever watch Forbidden Planet , and then see the Star Trek pilot episode ," THE CAGE ", you'll notice a lot of similarities , plus a natural progression...
There was a stiff and notable militarism in both , as one example...
Another connection is that Robert Wise was eventually tapped by Roddenberry to direct the first Trek film ,
Star Trek : The Motion Picture...
Forbidden Planet was very influential...
It's theme was really a retelling of Shakespeare's 'The Tempest'...In the science fiction version , there was a 'creature from the id' , a battle for the mind , that is of a kinship with River's brain storms...
And , Miranda is ' a forbidden planet ' to the folk in the 'Verse , and Serenity's crew...
The antithesis of Tempest is Serenity...
" Storm's getting worse... "
" We'll pass through it , soon enough..."
Give Joss all due credit...The man knows his trade...
When something ' sciency ' is happening , there'll be blinking lights that can't be missed...
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I always assumed that the research vessel was knocked down by the reavers - maybe not as prolific as they are now (at least as spaceborn), but the firefly managed to slip through easy enough just because they were disguised.
Going along with this train of thought ... would the Alliance really just send one vessel to investigate the happenings of over 30 million people? Especially on a "rescue" mission? Just a thought ...
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
See the similarity to UNION of ALLIED PLANETS , or even , UNITED FEDERATION of PLANETS ?
That's good , because Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry drew inspiration from the Robert Wise classic , Forbidden Planet , when creating the seminal TV series...
Robert Wise directed a lot of great movies, but Forbidden Planet was not one of them. It was directed by Fred Wilcox. Some of Wise's movies were :
Day The Earth Stood Still
Andromeda Strain
Sand Pebbles
Sound Of Music
Run Silent, Run Deep
The Hindenburg
West Side Story
Star Trek Motion Picture
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This is concerning the scene with Wash at the controls, but he's not holding anything. First mentioned in December of 07, I believe.
Ahh! I know this is late, but Ahh! I sat and stared at that the first time I noticed while watching and figured the same thing!!
"Also, I can kill you with my brain" -River Tam
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Robert Wise directed a lot of great movies, but Forbidden Planet was not one of them. It was directed by Fred Wilcox. Some of Wise's movies were :
Day The Earth Stood Still
Andromeda Strain
Sand Pebbles
Sound Of Music
Run Silent, Run Deep
The Hindenburg
West Side Story
Star Trek Motion Picture
My bad !
Mental mix-up with 'Day The Earth Stood Still'...
Same genre , same era , different though great film...
Incidentally , I think that 'The Hindenburg' success had much to do with Wise being selected to direct ST:TMP...
YMMV , of course...
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Originally posted by out2theblack:Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
More on BDM:
On Miranda, the Research and Rescue vehicle is labeled C53D. Also, the first vehicle (car like) that Jayne finds with a withered victim is also labeled C53D in the same font.
Regarding the smaller vehicle, I don't understand why it has the same model name or logo. If it came with the crashed vehicle that investigated the deaths, how quick did this stuff act to make the driver just stop, after just arriving on planet?
...I figured the discrepancy was just the non-technical nature of Joss.
Not the helo...
The smaller craft belonged to the larger one , and was transported aboard it...It belonged to the mission just like the Galileo shuttle belonged to Star Trek's Enterprise...The Galileo was one of 7 shuttles that belonged to
NCC-1701 , so it was marked 'NCC-1701~7'.
...Same deal with the two Alliance vessels in Serenity BDM .
The pilot of the smaller craft was probably debilitated gradually , and eventually became incapacitated , while still aboard...He'd probably been out on a recon mission of a sort , before he stopped caring about finishing what they'd come there for...
Remember, the craft were marked ' Research & Rescue ' , an odd sort of dual mission , but one that was appropriate to planet Miranda , given the circumstances of the failure there...
Actually , the I.D. number on the two craft is 'C57D' . It's an homage to FORBIDDEN PLANET , an earlier Science Fiction classic film...
In the film , the spacecraft is designated UNITED PLANETS Cruiser C-57D...
See the similarity to UNION of ALLIED PLANETS , or even , UNITED FEDERATION of PLANETS ?
That's good , because Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry drew inspiration from the Robert Wise classic , Forbidden Planet , when creating the seminal TV series...
If you ever watch Forbidden Planet , and then see the Star Trek pilot episode ," THE CAGE ", you'll notice a lot of similarities , plus a natural progression...
There was a stiff and notable militarism in both , as one example...
Another connection is that Robert Wise was eventually tapped by Roddenberry to direct the first Trek film ,
Star Trek : The Motion Picture...
Forbidden Planet was very influential...
It's theme was really a retelling of Shakespeare's 'The Tempest'...In the science fiction version , there was a 'creature from the id' , a battle for the mind , that is of a kinship with River's brain storms...
And , Miranda is ' a forbidden planet ' to the folk in the 'Verse , and Serenity's crew...
The antithesis of Tempest is Serenity...
" Storm's getting worse... "
" We'll pass through it , soon enough..."
Give Joss all due credit...The man knows his trade...
When something ' sciency ' is happening , there'll be blinking lights that can't be missed...
That'sd great, more sublte than I caught.
I thought it weird that the population succumbed after a bit, but that driver of the research car could fall victim so fast - why didn't the people who dropped in the pax also fall victim?
No reavers to stop the research from getting there, research was from 12 years ago, Jayne says reavers only startedc showing up 10 yrears ago.
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Originally posted by out2theblack:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Robert Wise directed a lot of great movies, but Forbidden Planet was not one of them. It was directed by Fred Wilcox. Some of Wise's movies were :
Day The Earth Stood Still
Andromeda Strain
Sand Pebbles
Sound Of Music
Run Silent, Run Deep
The Hindenburg
West Side Story
Star Trek Motion Picture
My bad !
Mental mix-up with 'Day The Earth Stood Still'...
Same genre , same era , different though great film...
Incidentally , I think that 'The Hindenburg' success had much to do with Wise being selected to direct ST:TMP...
YMMV , of course...
I liked your post, found it intriguing, and that's why the little correction on Wise. Forbidden Planet, IMO, is the forerunner to many modern concepts of sci-fi. It is clear that Roddenberry used many of the concepts from Planet for Star Trek :
Uniforms in space
Military and science personnel in space
Laser pistols
Laser "artillary"
Communicators on body
Captain and ship's Doctor comraderie
Captain and ship's Engineer comraderie
Captain and ship's First Officer comraderie
Captain gets the girl
The decelleration chambers (DC stations) from Planet look an awful like prototypes for Trek's transporter platforms and beams
Advanced technological secrets from a long-extinct alien civilization...a plot theme for many Trek episodes
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Now it dawns on me that Mal was probably referring to Simon's rescuing River, defying the Alliance, saving an innocent - that is what Mal sees as strength, and that perhaps Simon is human enough, despite his upbringing and social status, that he and Mal can work out the sharing of mutual space for a while.
Well said. I think that is exactly it.
ShepardRoy
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